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03-15-2024 , 12:52 PM

Ceres

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Not a threat because I don’t have any (beyond my own DB).

Curious though. Presumably not a lot?

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03-15-2024 , 01:18 PM

Zamadhi

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Probably something similar to when Pio and then GTOW entered the market: it would gradually influence the pool over months and years.

However, MDA is not "eternal" in the way that GTO is, so it would lead to an interesting dynamic where regs/CFPs would try to use the data to exploit the pool's historic tendencies, and the even more advanced regs/CFP's would start to counter-exploit the exploiters by thinking one step ahead.

For example: if regs/CFPs have historic data that pool overfolds in a certain spot, then they will start to overbluff in that spot, which would lead the more advanced regs/CFPs to start overcall in that spot.

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03-15-2024 , 10:08 PM

Ceres

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Makes sense. Plus it's not easy to learn in raw form like any science. You need some background or you're flapping.

I presume it is ubiquitous already anyway if everyone is running scans. Presumably at some point everyone catches up the same way other simplistic things like cbetting have, but it's still another layer of theory everyone has to keep in their RAM. Seem like there'll always be benefits to spending longer in the gym than your opponent.

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03-16-2024 , 09:51 AM

Haizemberg93

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That data should be publicly available. CFP and stables gain unfair advantage by buying and exchanging hands.

Poker is game of information, someone who has access to 10m+ hands has advantage over "lone wolf".

New regs sits on the site and already knows how pool plays in some super obscure spot and it would take him years to get enough sample if he was playing on his own.

We should all start the game with access to same information. Ofc you can know more information about poker by studying game and your opponent's that is part of poker skill, getting 10m+ hands is not a skill.

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03-16-2024 , 12:22 PM

aner0

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Originally Posted by Ceres

Not a threat because I don’t have any (beyond my own DB).

Curious though. Presumably not a lot?

Ppl would argue about its usefulness all day and not rly use it out of laziness
Eventually, over multiple years, the meta would change

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03-17-2024 , 07:25 AM

Ceres

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I mostly think everyone should STOP evolving poker strategy indefinitely until I can buy a house. Which at this rate should be around 2047, ty

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03-17-2024 , 03:25 PM

dude45

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

it is if you're willing to pay. Not sure how expensive but its out there and easily available. As for the question i dont think it would matter much. Huds and trackers have been available for decades and solvers for around a decade and we haven't all become poker gods. Sure they good player may get a little better but fish probably want change much at all

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03-17-2024 , 04:09 PM

endi

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solver approved becomes mda approved

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03-20-2024 , 12:31 PM

GreatWhiteFish

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A black hole would form and the poker universe would collapse on itself.

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03-21-2024 , 07:39 PM

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charlesChickens

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More players would become “MDA regs” just like there already are a good amount of. They are easy to exploit if you know the basic conclusions from MDA too and do the reverse of the leaks population has

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