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01-17-2024 , 08:26 AM
I've been delving into GTO strategies lately, and there's something I'm struggling to grasp. Often in the context of GTO, people talk about bluff frequencies and defense frequencies. I'm a bit puzzled about how to adjust these frequencies. Do I need to run a random number generator each time I make a particular move?)
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01-17-2024 , 03:20 PM
In practice if you think your hand is indifferent it's likely better to simply choose which action you think is best (hard to do) and do it pure. Otherwise if you were trying to emulate GTO yea you'd RNG and do it accordingly
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01-18-2024 , 08:11 AM
Thanks for your response, but I'm still a bit unclear.
Can you provide an example? In a screenshot from a GTO Wizard video, it suggests bluffing at a frequency of 25%. Do players actually adhere to these frequencies in real games? If so, how do I determine my action at the table, knowing this specific percentage (25%)?

Perhaps the question may seem basic, but the answer isn't entirely evident to me.

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01-18-2024 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by max3602
Thanks for your response, but I'm still a bit unclear.
Can you provide an example? In a screenshot from a GTO Wizard video, it suggests bluffing at a frequency of 25%. Do players actually adhere to these frequencies in real games? If so, how do I determine my action at the table, knowing this specific percentage (25%)?

Perhaps the question may seem basic, but the answer isn't entirely evident to me.

Balance is only useful to the extent that other players are able and willing to exploit you, so how nuanced you need to be depends on how nuanced your opponent is. You never have to be able to balance a range exactly, and against most players you wouldn't have to balance your range at all
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01-18-2024 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by max3602
I've been delving into GTO strategies lately, and there's something I'm struggling to grasp. Often in the context of GTO, people talk about bluff frequencies and defense frequencies. I'm a bit puzzled about how to adjust these frequencies. Do I need to run a random number generator each time I make a particular move?)
some players will just download an app. But you don't really need it if you are studying with a solver.
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01-18-2024 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
Balance is only useful to the extent that other players are able and willing to exploit you, so how nuanced you need to be depends on how nuanced your opponent is. You never have to be able to balance a range exactly, and against most players you wouldn't have to balance your range at all
It doesn't hurt if he wants to use a randomizer. Balancing your ranges has nothing to do with one opponent. It has to do with all of them in a vacuum. A GTO player is using a strategy that can't be beat no matter who they play against in whatever environment they are in. He doesn't want to be an exploitative type player. You are trying to turn him into something he is trying to move away from. You are making an assumption when you say you don't have to balance against most players. When you assume that is how you start losing at poker. Even taking notes is hugely overrated cause their notes is basically off a few hands that can mislead you on how someone actually plays. You should never assume that you don't have to be balanced against most players. Your ego is going to misguide you into a lot mistakes if you believe you are better then everyone on the table and you can exploit everyone. Most players are not as bad as you think and everyone improves after every session they play unless they are fish on the table. Then what you say makes sense. But it is 2024 not that many fish in the sea anymore and him wanting to focus on being gto player and not getting exploited by player like you makes a lot of sense to me for him wanting to use a randomizer. If he is studying using a solver he should understand the gist of randomizing his moves. But if he wants it at perfect percentage then ya doesn't hurt to use it.

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01-19-2024 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iburydoscocaroaches
It doesn't hurt if he wants to use a randomizer. Balancing your ranges has nothing to do with one opponent. It has to do with all of them in a vacuum. A GTO player is using a strategy that can't be beat no matter who they play against in whatever environment they are in. He doesn't want to be an exploitative type player. You are trying to turn him into something he is trying to move away from. You are making an assumption when you say you don't have to balance against most players. When you assume that is how you start losing at poker. Even taking notes is hugely overrated cause their notes is basically off a few hands that can mislead you on how someone actually plays. You should never assume that you don't have to be balanced against most players. Your ego is going to misguide you into a lot mistakes if you believe you are better then everyone on the table and you can exploit everyone. Most players are not as bad as you think and everyone improves after every session they play unless they are fish on the table. Then what you say makes sense. But it is 2024 not that many fish in the sea anymore and him wanting to focus on being gto player and not getting exploited by player like you makes a lot of sense to me for him wanting to use a randomizer. If he is studying using a solver he should understand the gist of randomizing his moves. But if he wants it at perfect percentage then ya doesn't hurt to use it.
There aren't styles, there's making the best play or not the best play. Some people have different ways of going about it, but refusing to make the best play because you don't want to describe yourself as an "exploitative player" is certaintly not good poker.

You won't be balanced even if you use an RNG, so my point is not to not use an RNG ever, it's to accept that you're not balanced and embrace it.

Most players I face I have to try and keep some resemblance of balance, but if I was going to the casino to play 1/2 or 2/5 (what most people play) or played anonymous poker it would be foolish to focus on balance
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