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Originally Posted by quesuerte
We seem to be going in circles.
Would you accept that the ranges of the players who have already limped will effect there folding frequency?
V1 and V2 both call your squeeze with top 5% hands
V1 limps 100%
V2 limps 50%
Do you think they are both calling your squeeze with the same frequency.
I understand what you have done. You have shown how many random hands need to be in the pot before your chances of running into a monster negates the times you steal. This is true of all positions and not relevant to straddles.
For some reason that I cannot possibly fathom, in your head you somehow link limps with folding frequency???
The two are mutually exclusive. Me limping 100% of the time has ABSOLUTELY 100% NOTHING to do with my fold frequency PERIOD!!!!
oh wait, I think I see what you are getting at....
If I limp 50% of the time that "must" mean my range is wide and therefore i'd fold to squeezes a higher percentage of the time to someone who limps 10% of the time which means he limps with a stronger range and thus will call a 3bet a higher percentage of the time???
Even though that is logical, that isn't necessarily true. What if I decide to fold 100% of all pocket pairs because that is how I play and I raise 100% of the time whenever I have a 2 (lucky deucese never lose right) and I limp 100% of the time when I have a 3. How would you account for that?
Well, my models can BECAUSE I INPUT THE RANGES DIRECTLY and let the chips fall where they may.
This graphic illustrates where I think we may be having our disagreeance. As near as I can tell, you are trying to link limping frequency with 3bet calling frequency by using deductive logic however that is not accurate as shown by the ranges I specified above.
Not to say that deductive logic couldn't be used to link limping and 3bet calling frequency. You "could" do it that way however, as i've shown, all it takes is ANY unconventional circumstances for that model to blow up. It would be a lot more accurate to just identify the limping, calling, 3betting, 4betting, etc ranges DIRECTLY.
Which is what i'm doing.