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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Are you two discussing techniques that will result in you being more likely to go all in on the flop than in a normal 9 handed game when you have 88 and the flop is Ah 8h 2c?
Or that because you would go all in with that flop you will be more likely to go all in with other hands?
Or that when you don't move in you are more likely to call the flop with 87 suited because you can represent the set?
Or that you sometimes don't move in with the set of eights because the reveal of the 8 might just be 87suited?
And of course "sometimes" and "more likely" means a specific percentage as far as GTO is concerned. Do your techniques give us those percentages?
I would need an expert on GTO or someone from one of these solver companies tell me whether a 100 times larger player strategy size and 4 times larger game tree to walk is feasible for a heads-up solver to converge fast enough.
All these examples are similar to examples from the normal game, except they are conditional on one of your cards being shown.
In the non-reveal game, the more likely I am to go all-in with a set, the more likely I am to go all in with other hands.
The more likely I am to have a set in my range the more likely I am to call/float a weaker hand.
The more likely I can represent a medium hand in my range that I would call the flop with the more likely I am to slowplay a set.
Revealing my card changes which hands I will group together, and my opponent revealing their card changes my perception of their range of cards. In the reveal game it's much more important exactly which hands I pair together, but at the same time it may be more obvious which are the correct ones, at least for a human (and I think if it's more obvious for a human then the solver is likely to converge to it faster since the EV benefit will show fairly quickly). In non-reveal it's not all that important whether I bluff with 9c6d on this board vs 9h6d. It's a much bigger difference in the reveal version, but isn't it also more obvious that I would favor the 9h6d because I can represent a flush more often with the 9h than I can with the 9c?
Last edited by REALphysical; 01-18-2024 at 12:17 AM.