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Is it possible to make a solver play only pure strategies? Is it possible to make a solver play only pure strategies?

05-09-2024 , 12:40 AM
I wonder how much EV it would lose against a maximum exploitative gto strategy, and if it would be useful to improve the understanding of the favorite roles of each hand in any given spot.

Is it possible?

Has anyone tried this?

Thanks
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05-09-2024 , 10:55 AM
It's possible in Piosolver menu -> Tree -> Round Strategy.

I ran a simple tree and then rounded the strategies of both players over flop+turn+river and then checked exploitability.

Rounding | Exploitability
No rounding | 0.2% (1bb/100)
10% rounding | 0.8% (4bb/100)
25% rounding | 2.7% (15bb/100)
50% rounding | 8% (45bb/100)
100% rounding (pure strategy) | 30% (165bb/100)

So versus the Nemesis (clairvoyant and maximally exploitative opponent), a pure strategy would be extremely exploitable.

I usually round my sims to 25% to simplify the solution and remove the worst solver noise.
No way I could remember and implement anything beyond 25% rounding anyway.
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05-09-2024 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Zamadhi
It's possible in Piosolver menu -> Tree -> Round Strategy.

I ran a simple tree and then rounded the strategies of both players over flop+turn+river and then checked exploitability.

Rounding | Exploitability
No rounding | 0.2% (1bb/100)
10% rounding | 0.8% (4bb/100)
25% rounding | 2.7% (15bb/100)
50% rounding | 8% (45bb/100)
100% rounding (pure strategy) | 30% (165bb/100)

So versus the Nemesis (clairvoyant and maximally exploitative opponent), a pure strategy would be extremely exploitable.

I usually round my sims to 25% to simplify the solution and remove the worst solver noise.
No way I could remember and implement anything beyond 25% rounding anyway.
I don't think this is exactly what he means.
If you actually solved with a pure strategy in the first place and didn't have to round it after, I believe exploitability would be pretty low. Probably about 0 on flop and maybe a little bit as ranges get narrow, but it wouldn't be too big of a drag on the whole strategy imo.
And no I don't think solvers can do this
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05-09-2024 , 07:26 PM
It's possible in theory;;


Imagine... Counting to a million. Now if a metronome could go on forever, it would technically count to infinity



But infinity is a concept that only exists in theory.


A human could strategically beat this number counter, or rather, find weaknesses, if the seconds in between the metronome deviated between 1.000000000... seconds.


Bugs exist in bots.



Now...;;;;


If you played a bot that played rock paper scissors 33.33 recurring but did a different timing for rock than paper or scissors,,,,,


Win
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