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11-07-2011 , 08:38 PM

MinRaze

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 777

So I found myself in an interesting spot this weekend. In a 2-5 live nl game, 7 of the nine players including myself where 350bb+ deep, no one was under 160bb. Myself and 2 others were >500bb deep. I don't have much experience playing this deep eff, but it felt like 3 betting any range pre flop could be fundamentaly flawed. The deeper stacked we get the more important play and percieved range on later streets becomes right? I found myself getting value from hands that put me above my percieved river value range because I flatted pre vs 3/4 betting.

Cliffs: Could it be optimal to have no 3/4 bet range with 350bb+?

Last edited by MinRaze; 11-07-2011 at 08:40 PM. Reason: Mods, I'm going to post this in the live nl forum as well to see where the best discussion is.

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11-07-2011 , 10:30 PM

yuri

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 214

no but it might be for you if you think you can't build a decent range by 3 betting this deep.

Turn the situation around: Do you think people who will never 3bet you this deep give you more or less trouble? And add or subtract from your winrate.

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11-07-2011 , 10:40 PM

MinRaze

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 777

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Originally Posted by yuri

no but it might be for you if you think you can't build a decent range by 3 betting this deep.

Turn the situation around: Do you think people who will never 3bet you this deep give you more or less trouble? And add or subtract from your winrate.

It depends, if they are putting preasure on me on later streets with a less clearly defined range it may give me more trouble and subtract from my win rate. Turned around if I am putting preasure on the vil on later streets with a less defined range it may give them more trouble and add to my winrate. This is clearly only in the context of being 350+deep.

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11-07-2011 , 10:44 PM

Cmlaw4155

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 92

If the question is should u be balancing ur 3/4bet range this deep, the answer is yes

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11-08-2011 , 12:31 AM

Polsk23

grinder

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 557

I understand what youre asking but its difficult to explain. Someone that is good at articulating concepts will give a good response on this.

The way i see it is its more and more important to keep your range as wide as possible pre flop the deeper stacks get and this is not nearly as important with shallow stacks.

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