Hi,

I am part of a group of GTO freaks playing mainly small-stakes NLHE (online).
We have already solved all the 1755 flops in 4bet and 3bet pots.
The next step is to solve BTN vs BB single-raised-pot and afterwards, we are basically going to solve every solvable spot.
We are about to begin this massive project which requires us to rent a server with an extremely powerful CPU and a huge amount of ram (~ 150GB).
Of course, we will need to buy a license key for the solver and the rent of a server, so we are now looking for players to share the costs with.
We are not looking for many players, we prefer to work with a small group of serious and reliable people.
If you are interested in this project send me a private message.

Good luck building your bot!

If I were building a bot I certainly wouldn't make everything public in the biggest poker forum in the world LMFAO.

I solved all 1755 flops for BUvsBB with several sizings on my R7 3700x with 32gb. Took like 500 hours but doable. Honestly you just need 32gb or maaybe 64gb (many sizings) for postflop and a Threadripper.

That looks simply not possible to me.
how many bet sizes did you use? in all of the streets?
did you enable don't donk?
did you enable allin?
how much did you open from btn?

GTO+ ask me for 80-140 GB of ram if I don't put multiple raise sizes. If I do it easily gets to 200.

please give me more details

I've had a look at your threads and I can say that you don't seem to fully understand how solvers work.

The GTO+ settings you posted are not even close to what they are supposed to be to generate a reliable solve.

I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with what you are saying.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I've posted many things about solvers.

also the idea that any solve with few sizings using less than hundreds of gigs of ram aren't "reliable" is silly.

I assume you're providing 5 sizings (the max GTO+ allows) per betting option offered? If so, why?

that's 4 sizings (30 50 75 150) + occasionally allin.
Because I'm not looking for simplicity, I'm looking for situations as similar as possible to reality. I know it's common to use just 1-3 size but I don't find it as reliable as using more, since in-game we are not only using more, but we are also aware that the opponent could be using various bet sizes and we can say the same thing from his perspective.
I am also going to do some deep study on Excels and on graphs so I want to grab as much data as possible (as long as it's reliable) and who cares about things being practical.

By chance, do you have any HUD data available to review the typical bet size spread of most players? Unfortunately, I don't believe my HUD can provide this information, but if I had to guess, most of my player pool (I play mid/high online) don't have a wide bet sizing spread. Meaning, I think they'll tend to fall within 30-80% (50 spread) bets rather than 30-150% (120 spread). I could definitely just be dead wrong on this, but perhaps that's something to consider given your above stated goal. Anyway, sounds like an interesting project, and I'm sure the 120 spread will turn out just fine. Good luck!

Right now my hud is not telling me which bet sizes my opponents are using preflop but I used to have a very similar thing for preflop on hand2note.
You could easily do that with hand2note or hm3+notecaddy.

I agree that most players are not using overbets (100%+) but I've learned that there are a few nodes in gto solves where overbets is almost the only option and its often used either as a full value of a full bluff. The thing is that our opponents rarely do that and they might now be fully aware of how we are using it so yeah, the situation I'm creating on the solver is now really the exact same I see in reality, but I think that adjusting my own strategy in real life (knowing what the optimal strategy is) is a better approximation than simply adjusting the sizes on the solver.

Our strategies on the solver will never be perfect, but that's ok.

That's like $250/mo how broke are you?

Rent a 250$ server and it's going to take 3 months.
That's not a clever move, is it?

You want to know how broke I am? Here is the graph of my last 40k hands of pokerstars:

https://prnt.sc/w647pg

We are going to spend about 600 euros

Fact you are playing low stakes and tryin gto play GTO is why you are broke

I don't know where you're getting the idea that less sizes is unreliable. You aren't going to get much, if any, more EV with 4-5 sizes then 2.

Plus, as a human playing more sizes is more difficult because we aren't like computers.

Based on what you're saying you want to do, 600 euros seems like a ridiculously small budget. Should be putting 5k aside at least to do something properly without cutting corners I would say.

But hey, do what you please. You seem to think everyone disagreeing with you is uninformed.

If when you say "everyone" you mean just yourself I agree with you.
Also, what's the point of spending 5k if you can do an egregious job spending less thank 1k?

it's clear that you didn't even loo at my graph.
this si my profit without rakeback for the last 40k hands.

https://prnt.sc/w647pg

Including Rakeback this is about 700$ profit.

Since according to you I seem to have no idea how unreliable less sizes are, can you explain to me why that is the case.

If everything I've been told about solvers is wrong, I'm open minded enough to be corrected

Hey im interested i pmed u

I'm interested! my account is too new to pm though

Using less sizes is not the worst of all sins, but I can comfortably say that it's not as accurate as using more.
That's mainly for a reason, the solver doesn't just "solve the poker game".
It solves "the poker game you create".
Which means that if you put size x and y the solver is assuming that it is impossible to use any size which is different from x and y.
This implies that the solver is assuming that the opponent is only using size x and y.

Unfortunately in real life our opponents use way way more than just 2 betsize so the assumptions the solver is making are not reflecting the real game.

this is the main reason why I'm saying that it is less reliable.

Hi! It's not hard to unlock private messages here on twoplustwo, you just need to use the forum regularly for a few days.

Anyway if you level here your telegram/ discord / skype contact I cant send you a friend request there and start chatting! (also email is good)

my discord is Pearson#7472 and my email is grey56444@gmail.com

Hello, I am also interested. My discord id is c1#7779. Let's discuss!