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How do I own a 25/20, 33/25, 17/11? How do I own a 25/20, 33/25, 17/11?

10-21-2010 , 01:22 PM
Those are the vpips and pfrs of villains that give me the most trouble. I am also talkin about full ring. What moves or weapons in ur arsenals are u using to beat these type of players?
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10-21-2010 , 04:33 PM
17/11 nitty TAG steal his blinds and re-steal his steals, if you get in a hand with him. He's holding premium so take that in to consideration when the flop comes

25/20 this is a looser TAG. Expect him to steal more and raise with speculative hands. Still take caution on the board.

33/25 obvious LAG. Easily exploitable if you call him down with a tighter range. I often find myself playing this style when the table isweak tight or very nitty. It works great for running the table stealing blinds and picking up pots on the flop. What busts me every time with this style of play is runninginto a monster hand like QQ on a QK3 board holding AK. So with this guy just wait for the nuts and call with nut draws if he gives you good odds.

Hope this helps. This is just my angle on it. I'm sure others may have a different one. Good luck. Q.
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10-21-2010 , 04:37 PM
7/10 the 22/33, 45/13 the 22/11 and 1/1 the 38/42 unless his stfu% is over 50 then revert back to 22/33/
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10-21-2010 , 06:13 PM
Interesting responses. Hoping for moaaaar
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10-23-2010 , 04:00 PM
17/11 is not really nitty if this is full ring we're talking about, and a 25/20 or 33/25 in a full ring game is probably playing waaaay too lose unless it's a really weak table. To beat the looser guys just abuse the fact that they're almost always going to have a ton of weak hands in their range by reraising them a lot preflop and floating or bluffraising them a lot postflop. The 17/11 guy probably isn't going to have a lot of glaring weaknesses preflop, so just try to play pots with him in position so you can abuse him postflop.
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10-24-2010 , 08:49 AM
33/25 and 25/20 are extremely loose for full ring. Defend your blinds lighter, flat them in position and outplay them postflop, play tighter if they're on your left and and make your life hard. 17/11 sounds like a bad reg that is not positionally aware and his raising range is the same as his flatting range, so you can easily take advantage of stuff like this.
Thing is their post flop game is more important than these numbers.
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10-24-2010 , 10:45 AM
17/11 seems like semi-passive preflop reg. Just play like you'd play any other 14/12 or something knowing he's probably set mining/flatting a bit wider preflop. Look at his game and see if he plays a bit more aggro postflop or he's just flatting all those hands and playing super fit or fold. 33/25 or 25/20 are just going to be way too over-aggro preflop. 3b number is pretty important and assuming high 3b numbers check what kinds of hands they like to 3b. Is it mostly bluffs along with standard FR value ranges or is it stuff like AJ/KT/etc. How do they react to 4-bets with their 3b range? If they're 3-betting you a bunch IP open a lot less with them on your left. But basically if they're also super aggro postflop you'll be printing money they're just going to have way too weak a range in so many spots and you can call down/rebluff them in a ton of spots. If they're smart (other than the fact they wouldn't play that way) they'll be over-aggro preflop and basically nits postflop thinking that they'll get paid off a ton postflop by regs who see their preflop stats and assume they'll also go ******* postflop (in before half of 2p2 tells me that actually preflop lags have to win more pots so optimal is to try to win more pots postflop with their laughable logic)
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10-24-2010 , 07:42 PM
Thanks guys for the solid feedback!
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10-27-2010 , 07:33 AM
what about those 50/6 or 35/10 or 21/2 recreational fishes on 6max? those who have waaaay more VPIP compared to their PFR (you get the point hehehe) . i seem to be having trouble with these guys. they just don't seem to fold and call down with ****.

coz if i just check down since i can't take them off a hand, they always bet out to steal the pot.. which in turn hurts my winrate.

is waiting for the nuts just the best way to beat them? more often than not, when i do bet out, they fold LOL

whats the best way to crack them?
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10-27-2010 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dwyt84
what about those 50/6 or 35/10 or 21/2 recreational fishes on 6max? those who have waaaay more VPIP compared to their PFR (you get the point hehehe) . i seem to be having trouble with these guys. they just don't seem to fold and call down with ****.

coz if i just check down since i can't take them off a hand, they always bet out to steal the pot.. which in turn hurts my winrate.

is waiting for the nuts just the best way to beat them? more often than not, when i do bet out, they fold LOL

whats the best way to crack them?
Against guys with those stats , don't bluff, essentially they are calling stations. I bet the **** out of top pair good kicker against these guys assuming the board remains safe. When they raise they are only raising the goods, don't pay them off.

Am hoping to get further feedback from others.
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10-27-2010 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
If they're smart (other than the fact they wouldn't play that way) they'll be over-aggro preflop and basically nits postflop thinking that they'll get paid off a ton postflop by regs who see their preflop stats and assume they'll also go ******* postflop (in before half of 2p2 tells me that actually preflop lags have to win more pots so optimal is to try to win more pots postflop with their laughable logic)
More or larger pots. Doesn't have to be frequency tho and I think a lot of people ffk that up against LAGs
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