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Is this a glitch or is QJo really ahead here? Is this a glitch or is QJo really ahead here?

11-09-2012 , 06:56 PM


Just doesn't seem logical. Someone please explain.
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11-09-2012 , 08:08 PM
AT vs QJ heads up is around 58/42. Some of that advantage is AT winning with A high on some boards. When you throw 44 in the mix, it takes away the A high value of AT.
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11-09-2012 , 08:31 PM
With the pair thrown in, the AT and QJ both have to hit to win, which as nar160 said removes the value of ace-high. The AT also loses a small amount of value from its T, since it would give the QJ a 3-straight with several ways (AK, K9, or 89) to hit in the remaining 4 board cards. I'm guessing this is where most of the difference comes from.

Also, the QJ will win with four diamonds or clubs, whereas the AT can only hit spades.
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11-10-2012 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nar160
AT vs QJ heads up is around 58/42. Some of that advantage is AT winning with A high on some boards. When you throw 44 in the mix, it takes away the A high value of AT.
+1
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11-10-2012 , 08:21 AM
If this feels unintuitive to you (which is understandable), try doing the same with multiway Omaha hands. You can have the ugliest piece of crap hand being the dominant favourite, or the currently highest ranked hand drawing stone dead 4-ways.
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11-11-2012 , 02:54 PM
What I suggest is that you charge your phone😜
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11-12-2012 , 04:34 PM
you obv do lose value with A high,but not on double paired boards like 55772 for example.... not good in math but would be cool too see how its explained in math for QJ to be ahead
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11-12-2012 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Acesflow11
you obv do lose value with A high,but not on double paired boards like 55772 for example.... not good in math but would be cool too see how its explained in math for QJ to be ahead
double-pair or quads board are really rare (around 20-1) so its not so much value there.
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11-17-2012 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Acesflow11
you obv do lose value with A high,but not on double paired boards like 55772 for example.... not good in math but would be cool too see how its explained in math for QJ to be ahead
You're obviously more likely to see a board where A high is good vs a dbl paired board. That and the 4 flush outs for Qj create the equity.
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11-17-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nar160
AT vs QJ heads up is around 58/42. Some of that advantage is AT winning with A high on some boards. When you throw 44 in the mix, it takes away the A high value of AT.

I think in this example, QJ is slightly ahead preflop because both need to hit a pair to win, but QJ has the small added advantage of catching more straights than AT, as well as outdrawing AT when a T falls. If you change AT to AK, AK will be slightly ahead.
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12-16-2012 , 11:47 PM
ATo, JTs, 55, 87s is basically a 4-way tie even though ATo dominates JTs ;-)
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12-17-2012 , 12:19 AM
i was looking for an app like that recently -- what is it?
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12-17-2012 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by yaqh
i was looking for an app like that recently -- what is it?
I don't know which one he is using there but there are a couple of poker stove like apps in the android market that are free and seem to work.

OP's battery looks like it is gonna die soon. Better plug it in.
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12-17-2012 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 2013
I think in this example, QJ is slightly ahead preflop because both need to hit a pair to win, but QJ has the small added advantage of catching more straights than AT, as well as outdrawing AT when a T falls. If you change AT to AK, AK will be slightly ahead.
The main reason for AK being so much better than AT there, is the fact when a T drops a Q or a J may also drop and they would give victory to QJ, whereas with AK and a K on the board that doesn't happen. T being a better straight card than K for QJ is very marginal.

In fact, if you swap QJ with 98 you still get about same straight potential and help from a T (actually 98 has better straight potential overall) but AT becomes the best hand because a T will dominate any single pair 98 closes.
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12-17-2012 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LazyAce
I don't know which one he is using there but there are a couple of poker stove like apps in the android market that are free and seem to work.

OP's battery looks like it is gonna die soon. Better plug it in.
sorry to derail, but anything for iphone? :/
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12-17-2012 , 10:51 AM
I just use pro poker tools website for most things.
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