I was contemplating about opening this thread or not and also where to open it, since i'm a total newbie i could probably say something stupid.

I also looked for an answer searching this forum about the question in my unconscous mind that is bugging me but i can't quite elaborate consciously, and the best i could find are the controversional topics about folding marginal spots even when +ev, which is different from the concept in my mind but similar in a way.

I don't think the matter is trivial and should be put at "beginner questions".

I'm quite sure that the ones saying to fold marginal +ev spots are right, of course the condition of them being right is the presence of future better +ev spots, but if someone doesn't have a better future +ev spot that person shouldn't play poker at all nowadays.

This is KEY in spins and go, not only do i have to beat the 9% rake of 1€ spins and go, but i also have to beat the small cents i lose that go to higher multiplier spins and go that i many never see in my lifetime.



Nothing new under the sun, the problem for me and for some of you struggling in tournaments and spin and gos, mainly the ones struggling with spin and gos is the fact that you won't ever make a profit if you don't positively take into account consciously or not the number of hands played.


With a stack size of 300 and the stack Big Blind ratio of Flash spin and go a push fold strategy is optimal in general.



Suppose a scenario where the blinds never rise and you are stuck on the 10/20 or 15/30 level of the spin and go forever suppose also that the average player versus you is not a perfect player but also not a perfect fish, you will NEVER make a profit being able to beat the rake because the average opponent won't make a mistake big enough for you to profit at this blind level, even by playing perfectly.
All the profitable spots where players make marginal mistakes that cost a lot of money and where most of the ROI is made are at the higher blind levels.


This means that if you adopt a strategy that not makes you see higher blinds more often you will be a losing player due to rake even if you play previous spots perfectly(maximizing ev).

Of course there could be a formula or an algorithm out there that calculates the perfect ev strategy taking into account the number of hands played and the blind levels from turn 1, but it seems like the technology is not there yet.

But what a player must do is to build a strategy that is even slightly -ev but on average makes the average spin and go last longer while also taking into account not being blinded away and of course it also must take into account that the later spots are able to repay all our ev that we "invested" to get there, this optimally means also taking longer to play your hands.


Does anyone have a suggestion on how to calculate at least an aproximation of all this and try to build a good strategy?



Tournament players also are losing money by playing marginal spots if not to rake(which is a little more difficult because there's much more dead money in mtt) they are losing the money they could make later.