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Can you explain what a Solver is doing in this spot? Can you explain what a Solver is doing in this spot?

01-27-2024 , 03:52 PM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($350.41) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Cold Call: 9.2% | Hands: 313550]
UTG ($205) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 23.5% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 18]
HJ ($228.01) [VPIP: 43.3% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 26.3% | Hands: 30]
CO ($240.99) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 24% | AGG: 41.2% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 60% | 3Bet: 14.3% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 25]
BTN ($201.07) [VPIP: 10% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 30]
SB ($224.21) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 30]

Dealt to Hero: 3 3

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $5, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $3

Hero SPR on Flop: [21.45 effective]
Flop ($11): 5 5 A
HERO Checks, CO Bets $3.45 (Rem. Stack: $232.54), HERO Raises To $12.13 (Rem. Stack: $333.28), CO Calls $8.68 (Rem. Stack: $223.86)

Okay I looked at the sim for CO defending range vs XR. It is defending all pocket pairs pure but then mixing folds with ATo? How does this make any senese.

Sim here:



Then a hand like 88 no is pure called.

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01-27-2024 , 04:16 PM
PPs can boat up and out draw trips but naked ATo is dead to them virtually. Always a dichotomy whether you want the 88 bdfd or not depending whether you want to boat up and reverse their flushes or not depending on removal/range construction

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01-27-2024 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
PPs can boat up and out draw trips but naked ATo is dead to them virtually. Always a dichotomy whether you want the 88 bdfd or not depending whether you want to boat up and reverse their flushes or not depending on removal/range construction

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PP's have 2 outs and ATo both have 2 outs to boat up so that doesn't make much sense.

I think something to do with PP's having more deception and therefore getting paid off more often could be something though.
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01-27-2024 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
PP's have 2 outs and ATo both have 2 outs to boat up so that doesn't make much sense.

I think something to do with PP's having more deception and therefore getting paid off more often could be something though.
Not all boats are created equal. That deception factor counts for a lot. It's like the difference between a set and trips.

Compare CO's EV across turn cards with each hand:

88:



ATo:


Hitting a boat with AT on A55A is worth about 19bb, whereas hitting a boat with 88 on A558 is twice as valuable, around 40bb.

Last edited by tombos21; 01-27-2024 at 07:49 PM.
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01-27-2024 , 07:39 PM
I made a video using this analysis method a while back. I find it helpful for learning where the EV of different hands comes from.
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01-27-2024 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
PP's have 2 outs and ATo both have 2 outs to boat up so that doesn't make much sense.



I think something to do with PP's having more deception and therefore getting paid off more often could be something though.
Ah yeah my bad it's the expected aggression on boat outs. Like how smallest PPs continue more in 3bp as set draws expecting to face more aggression

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01-27-2024 , 09:59 PM
I would assume it's because of the possibility of chopping on an A turn or river.

Whereas on an 8 turn or river, we are more likely to gain the entire pot.
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01-27-2024 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tombos21
Not all boats are created equal. That deception factor counts for a lot. It's like the difference between a set and trips.

Compare CO's EV across turn cards with each hand:

88:



ATo:


Hitting a boat with AT on A55A is worth about 19bb, whereas hitting a boat with 88 on A558 is twice as valuable, around 40bb.
Yeah great point. I thought it might have something to do with this but I love how you quantify exactly how much hitting a boat is worth. I need to utilize GTO Wizard better but I only have the Starter package right, I'll update soon.

Time to start defending 88 and folding ATo.
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01-27-2024 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tombos21
I made a video using this analysis method a while back. I find it helpful for learning where the EV of different hands comes from.
Will check out this video, thanks Tom.
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01-27-2024 , 10:05 PM
Still looking at this spot. Lol AKo no heart is a lower EV call over 88 no heart. That is CRAZY.
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01-28-2024 , 12:23 AM
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