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Originally Posted by keuwai
2. As the caller facing a 3 barrel, we (usually) prefer having a flushdraw blocker.
This follows logically from (1). It is somewhat opponent dependent though: if your opponent is bad enough to bluff with most of his missed flushdraws, then it can certainly be bad to have the blocker. But it's safe to say that most good players should be giving up the majority of their missed flushdraws, making it good to have the flush blocker.
When you say that it is 'good' for us to have the flush blocker vs a good player that will not bluff his missed flush draws, do you mean it's good because we can correctly fold and lose the pot but also not lose much sleep over it because our fold is likely to be decent?
Because if we have the flush blocker, then our opponent is less likely to have the flush draw, and he likely wouldn't be betting the missed flush draw anyway, yet he is still betting as we are facing a bet, therefore it must be for value and so we need to fold? If so, then maybe this is bad for us to have the blocker as we are needing to fold more and lose the pot?
If we are against a bad player that will bluff all of his missed flush draws then having the blocker means we should fold more, meaning it's bad for us to block flush draws?
Also, why do good players not bluff their missed flush draws?
I just think there is something a bit contradictory with what you have said and that is why I am asking these kind of circular questions. Please can you start again with this and clarify everything.
As an aside, before reading this thread, my own thoughts on this were:
When it comes to calling on the river after the flush gets there, I think it is good to have a blocker as you block some combos of flushes that your opponent can have.
Therefore if that is true, when the flush doesn't get there, you don't want to have a blocker surely, so that you allow your opponent to have as many flush draw combos as possible.
I never thought of a player being 'good' or 'bad' when thinking of whether they would bluff missed flush draws or not, I thought that many player types could/would do this.
Last edited by Fast Fold Poker; 12-16-2021 at 04:06 AM.