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Best way to practice GTO? Best way to practice GTO?

01-14-2024 , 01:29 PM
Hello, I'm interested in learning GTO as a baseline strategy. I've been trying to do X00 number of hands on GTOWizard trainer per day, but I notice that when I set a volume goal, I tend to rush through the task, make more mistakes, and learn less.
I was wondering if there are better ways to try to do this than just brute forcing volume, like maybe setting a time goal and doing the hands I do during that time more thoroughly,
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01-15-2024 , 09:52 AM
It's great that you're actively working on improving your game using a GTO-based approach. While setting volume goals can be useful for practicing, your observation about rushing and making more mistakes is important. Balancing quantity with quality is crucial in skill development.

Here are some alternative approaches you might consider:
  • Time-Based Practice:
    Set aside a specific amount of time each day for your GTO training rather than focusing solely on the number of hands. This allows you to concentrate on each decision, thoroughly understand the reasoning behind it, and review results.
  • Focused Review Sessions:
    After your training sessions, spend dedicated time reviewing key hands. Focus on understanding why the GTO strategy suggests certain actions. Analyze any deviations you made from the GTO strategy and try to understand the logic behind those decisions.
  • Scenario-Specific Practice:
    Instead of random hands, focus on specific scenarios that you find challenging or encounter frequently. This targeted approach can deepen your understanding of those particular situations and help you make more informed decisions.
  • Mix GTO with Exploitative Play:
    While GTO provides a solid baseline strategy, it's also essential to recognize situations where deviations from GTO may be profitable. Consider integrating exploitative plays into your training, especially when you identify patterns in your opponents' tendencies.
  • Use Simulators and Software:
    Besides GTOWizard, explore other poker software and simulators that allow you to practice in a controlled environment. Solvers, such as PioSolver or Simple Postflop, can help you delve deeper into GTO strategies and analyze specific situations.
  • Discuss Hands with Peers or Coaches:
    Engage in discussions about hands with peers or a poker coach. Collaborative learning can provide different perspectives and insights, enhancing your understanding of GTO concepts.
  • Periodic Self-Assessment:
    Regularly assess your progress and understanding of GTO concepts. Take breaks if needed to avoid burnout, and periodically evaluate whether you're making consistent improvements.
Remember that the goal is not just to accumulate a high number of hands but to understand the underlying principles and develop a deeper understanding of GTO strategy. It's a gradual process, so be patient with yourself and focus on continuous learning and improvement.
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01-18-2024 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by blargh257
Hello, I'm interested in learning GTO as a baseline strategy. I've been trying to do X00 number of hands on GTOWizard trainer per day, but I notice that when I set a volume goal, I tend to rush through the task, make more mistakes, and learn less.
I was wondering if there are better ways to try to do this than just brute forcing volume, like maybe setting a time goal and doing the hands I do during that time more thoroughly,
You should write down hands during a session and your not sure what to do. And then use the solver for that. You want to pick spots where you have a tough time making a decision. And then run several sims. You wont remember everything. But you will have clear understanding of what to do with your ranges in that particular spot.
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01-18-2024 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by slyless
It's great that you're actively working on improving your game using a GTO-based approach. While setting volume goals can be useful for practicing, your observation about rushing and making more mistakes is important. Balancing quantity with quality is crucial in skill development.

Here are some alternative approaches you might consider:
  • Time-Based Practice:
    Set aside a specific amount of time each day for your GTO training rather than focusing solely on the number of hands. This allows you to concentrate on each decision, thoroughly understand the reasoning behind it, and review results.
  • Focused Review Sessions:
    After your training sessions, spend dedicated time reviewing key hands. Focus on understanding why the GTO strategy suggests certain actions. Analyze any deviations you made from the GTO strategy and try to understand the logic behind those decisions.
  • Scenario-Specific Practice:
    Instead of random hands, focus on specific scenarios that you find challenging or encounter frequently. This targeted approach can deepen your understanding of those particular situations and help you make more informed decisions.
  • Mix GTO with Exploitative Play:
    While GTO provides a solid baseline strategy, it's also essential to recognize situations where deviations from GTO may be profitable. Consider integrating exploitative plays into your training, especially when you identify patterns in your opponents' tendencies.
  • Use Simulators and Software:
    Besides GTOWizard, explore other poker software and simulators that allow you to practice in a controlled environment. Solvers, such as PioSolver or Simple Postflop, can help you delve deeper into GTO strategies and analyze specific situations.
  • Discuss Hands with Peers or Coaches:
    Engage in discussions about hands with peers or a poker coach. Collaborative learning can provide different perspectives and insights, enhancing your understanding of GTO concepts.
  • Periodic Self-Assessment:
    Regularly assess your progress and understanding of GTO concepts. Take breaks if needed to avoid burnout, and periodically evaluate whether you're making consistent improvements.
Remember that the goal is not just to accumulate a high number of hands but to understand the underlying principles and develop a deeper understanding of GTO strategy. It's a gradual process, so be patient with yourself and focus on continuous learning and improvement.
GTO study has NOTHING to do with exploitative play. It is like mixing oil with water. You are just going to confuse him. I don't know why you coaches keep pushing exploitative play into their thought process when they are trying to learn gto strategy cause the exploitative stuff they been doing doesn't work for them. Its why they get into gto strategy. I understand what you are saying but hes trying to learn gto lines to be unexploitable first. I am sure he understands how to exploit fish buddy. The reason they want to learn gto is cause they want to be unexploitable to the players that are really good in the player pool. They are not worried about the fish. Its the regs that are really good that they need to be well balanced against. They want to understand what these good players are doing against them. They are not at the level to mix strategies yet they have to build that foundation first around gto concepts then work in an exploitative strategy over time. He is not at that level to do all the stuff you are saying hes just learning gto right now.
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01-19-2024 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by iburydoscocaroaches
GTO study has NOTHING to do with exploitative play. It is like mixing oil with water. You are just going to confuse him. I don't know why you coaches keep pushing exploitative play into their thought process when they are trying to learn gto strategy cause the exploitative stuff they been doing doesn't work for them. Its why they get into gto strategy. I understand what you are saying but hes trying to learn gto lines to be unexploitable first. I am sure he understands how to exploit fish buddy. The reason they want to learn gto is cause they want to be unexploitable to the players that are really good in the player pool. They are not worried about the fish. Its the regs that are really good that they need to be well balanced against. They want to understand what these good players are doing against them. They are not at the level to mix strategies yet they have to build that foundation first around gto concepts then work in an exploitative strategy over time. He is not at that level to do all the stuff you are saying hes just learning gto right now.
The reason we push it is because we been there done that and we know what the student needs to focus on better than themselves

GTO is inextricably connected to exploitative play, trying to separate them is like trying to separate the two sides of the same coin. You can't exploit without understanding balance and you can't be balanced without understanding how your opponent'can exploit you
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01-19-2024 , 04:46 PM
This is correct, I don't understand exploitative play either. I want to learn more about GTO as a baseline first.

If I try to exploit sometimes I go way overboard without realizing, because I think that's what makes sense, but without the baseline to define what makes sense against a balanced player I don't feel as though I have a good grasp on what to actually do.

Appreciate the feedback.
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