So, while studying other spots I happened to notice that in some 5 bet spots the solver seems to want to 5bet (not shove) AA quite a bit more than any other combo.

I have already observed in my player pool a 5 bet non shove seemed to always be AA and this makes sense as I'm sure many are using this or another similar solve.


My question is just as to the "why" behind this? This seems to be one of the only spots I've seen where a solver doesn't "seem" (it likely is, just doesn't appear) to be very balanced. I personally am just shoving in this spot like the other big premium hands. But always like to know the why and such.


I'm assuming that with the very small frequency of the other 5 bets in this range, they add up to enough to balance the AA and this is just the solver squeaking out ever last bit of EV (as they should)

But IRL, most aren't going to be finding the non shoves with AK, QQ, JJ, A5s...etc......and will likely be imbalanced.


Anything I'm missing here?

It is balanced, you can see all of the bluffs there
As to why, AA doesn't want to deny too much equity and prefers to get called by AQs and stuff like that

For 100bb, IRL, are you getting called with AQ and such when we 5b to 30bb or so? Or not really much use for this spot IRL?

I think your assessment is pretty correct. At the end of the day, it is just for an overall higher EV strategy that this line is incorporated, but even when doing this, the EV from the solver should be the same as when aces do any other solver approved line vs 4bet, flatting or 5 bet shoving.

A couple of thoughts on this. The sizing is insultingly low, so it induces calls from hands and even shoves from hands that would otherwise fold in theory. HJ vs CO, HJ shoves AJs sometimes vs a 5bet according to GTO Wizard in the 2.5x sizing, 50NL rake. Downside of course being that a lot of hands get to see flops now and realize equity vs aces.

Despite the insultingly low size, you actually get to have 5bet folds at 100bb with your bluffs because they are basically just trashy Ax and Kx blocker hands that don't actually have equity to call off a pot sized shove, even though you commited 1/3 of your stack.

I don't think the small 5bets at 100bb would be horrible vs human players. But it would take randomization and some studying to get the frequencies right, and it's probably not going to add a whole lot of EV to your game. Also, if players are underbluffing in their 4bets, 5bet bluffing is going to give you problems.

There is no combo that prefers a pure strategy so in theory it doesn't matter if you choose to never 5bet non-allin. The more important question is how you think your pool will perceive this action? If they think "non-allin 5bet always the nuts" then it becomes a pretty good spot to potentially use both AA and all the allowed bluffs at 100% frequency. You will still be massively overbluffing but because you include all combos of AA and because this is such a rare node it will take a long long time before anyone figures out what you are doing.