I was playing live the other day vs. a player who raises to 5bb from the CO and BTN with a wide weak range. It’s the same as an open or after one or two limpers. I think he will call a 3 bet fairly light probably won’t 4 bet light much but may play back after the flop.

Given different effective stack what sort of range would you 3 bet him with and to what size? IP and OOP. As I expect a lot of calls I probably only want a value range, but unless the stacks a fair bit over 100bb it seems a pot size bet is closer to pot commitment than would be ideal.

Its not quite the same as after a limper or two, in that we typically only have a couple random hands to beat. After a limper or two, when someone makes it 5, you have to contend with their stronger range (which is raising limps), as well as the range of the limpers, who might be trapping with a big hand some reasonable percentage of the time.

I think our range depends a little on how many people are behind us, a little on how frequently we are bluffing, and a quite a bit on the effective stacks. I think I agree most any raise will be nearly committing when we are under 100bb.

We usually triple their raise size, minus a little in position, and add a little when out of position. He is laying 5 to win 1.5, but with his 5 in the pot we can make it 12 to win 6.5 which gives us a good price on our wager, but then he is getting 7 to win 19.5 which he should probably do with most of his hands. So this then puts us into the range of putting 1/6th of our stack in preflop, and if we cbet that puts over a third in, so were pretty well committed.

So yeah, I basically would raise him for value and with something like 8-10% of hands one off the button, 12-15% on the button, 15-20% in the small, and about the same in the big. I would triple his bet minus (1 to 3) bb/units from co/btn, and I would triple his bet plus (1 to 3) units from the blinds. I'm cbetting almost always unless I smash the flop or whiff in the worst ways possible.

CO: 77+/ATs/AJo/KQs
BTN: 66+/A8s/ATo/KJs
SB/BB: 55+/A2s/A8o/KTs/JTs++

We might go a little looser if he is super duper wide, and if the players behind us are nits, and we might tighten up if the players behind us are maniacal, or if he starts tightening up. I would be adjusting on the fly. I would add in a couple awesome suited connectors into this fairly rarely as well, usually diamonds. Diamonds are lucky.

Best I can do 4 ya.

4Card

Heres another shortcut. Your mileage may vary, but I think it helps to prepare a response.

When a player opens light, look where you are and add up how many players from you to the big blind inclusive. if hes button and your sb, that means 2. If hes UTG 6 handed and your the next seat, that means 5.

Take a reasonable percentage you actually think he is opening with from that seat. Divide by the number of players from you to the bb inclusive. Tighten up slightly. Use 90% for a cash game, 70% for a tournament, 50% for a seat satellite several seats away, 30% for a seat satellite a few seats away, 10-20% in a seat satellite 1 or 2 seats away.

So example. We think he is opening 40% on the cutoff. We are button. Theres 3 players to inclusive of us and the bb. 40/3 is 13%. We should 3bet 12ish percent in a cash game and 10% in a tournament, 7% in a seat satellite far away.

Another example. We think he is opening 60% of his hands on the button. We are in the small blind. In a cash game we might 3bet him with 25% of our hands.

4Card

If you're 3-betting a range that beats his 3-bet calling range a commitment threshold should be completely irrelevant.