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Unchallenged Development - Now what's my plan? Unchallenged Development - Now what's my plan?

03-27-2009 , 08:51 PM
I have no idea wtf my opponent was doing here. After:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 3. Nf3 h6 4. Nc3 a6 5. Bd3 g5 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Qe2 Nd7 8.
O-O-O Ne7 9. Bc4 b5 10. Bb3 Nb8 11. d5 e5

I am in the position below. I should be able to steamroll him from here right? So what's my plan? I have nowhere to move my pieces really and any pawn push allows him to lock up the center. I am really lost here even though I have superior position.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6032/chessoeb.jpg
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03-28-2009 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ATrebek
I have no idea wtf my opponent was doing here. After:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d6 3. Nf3 h6 4. Nc3 a6 5. Bd3 g5 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Qe2 Nd7 8.
O-O-O Ne7 9. Bc4 b5 10. Bb3 Nb8 11. d5 e5

I am in the position below. I should be able to steamroll him from here right? So what's my plan? I have nowhere to move my pieces really and any pawn push allows him to lock up the center. I am really lost here even though I have superior position.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6032/chessoeb.jpg
I think 11. d5 was a mistake. Better, IMHO was 11. h4.

In the given position, Black's plan is to play ...f5, so moving the Nf3 is in
order and d3 is a good square for it, eyeing f4 and preparing an eventual a4,
so 12. Ne1 with the idea of Nd3 and answering ...f5 with f3.
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03-28-2009 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bigpooch
I think 11. d5 was a mistake. Better, IMHO was 11. h4.

In the given position, Black's plan is to play ...f5, so moving the Nf3 is in
order and d3 is a good square for it, eyeing f4 and preparing an eventual a4,
so 12. Ne1 with the idea of Nd3 and answering ...f5 with f3.
I'd just go 12. h4 anyway. I'm not quite sure why you want to switch to a4 just because white played 11. d5. h4 still looks like the right plan to me. The line might go 11. h4 g4 12. Nh2 h5 13. f3 and we'll be able to open lines on the kingside. This is the exact same plan as you see vs black's queenside in the sveshnikov with a4.

ATrebek - I feel like you just developed all your pieces centrally and then weren't quite sure what to do. Vs these weird, passive, non-developing openings, you need to start planning for a way to break through (probably in the center) early on. If you allow your opponent to lock the center, a lot of your advantage from superior development goes away. Since black can meet either of your central thrusts, e5 or d5, by the other (e5 or d5) locking up the center you should really consider playing either f4 or c4 before you develop either your king's or queen's knight. For example, if you had gone 3. Nc3 4. f4 5. Nf3/Be3, etc then you would have a guaranteed breakthrough. You could either play d5 or f5 and your opponent couldn't lock the center. Even e5 followed by f5 may be possible.

Sorry if none of that made sense, I'm sleepy.
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03-28-2009 , 06:11 AM
My first question is why on earth would you go 9. Bc4? your bishop is in a perfect position, and Bc4 gives him some time to breath because you give him b5 with a tempo. Just play 9.h4 g4 10. Nh2 h5 11. f3 and it is going to be 1-0 really quick..

Of course if he follows it up with Nb8 then it's all good.. But what if 10.. Nb6, followed by some Bb7 and start pushing his pawns? You just give him two valuable tempos to start his attack.

Another question: why then did you bring your bishop to b3, if you play d5 and completely close it in next move? h4 is much better yet again. And in the final position, h4 again, though it is getting worse with every move..
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03-28-2009 , 06:13 AM
Your opponent's opening was definitely poor, but you didn't really do anything to challenge it. You can't just develop your pieces centrally and expect a refutation to just happen on its own.

First thing I'd do is ask myself why his opening is not a good idea. The answer is that he is foregoing development and not really fighting for the center. So the way for white to combat this is to gain a dominating center and aim for a rapid attack as your opponent has no real development to combat it.

I'd go all the way back to move 4. There's no way that Nc3 can be a bad move, but why not get one more central pawn to help you start thrusting into your opponent's position? 4. c4 seems just so much stronger. You get alot more central control and flexibility, and make it much more difficult for your opponent to keep the position closed.

After 6. Be3 white's potential to exploit his opponent's play is rapidly fading. You need to start coming up with a plan besides just developing your pieces. h4/d5/e5/etc are all much more accurate imo. You need to create an imbalance and start working against it.
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03-28-2009 , 01:26 PM
It might be a bit late for 12. h4 g4 13. Nh2 h5 14. f3 because of 14...g3
15. Nf1 f5. If 12. h4 g4, 13. Ne1 is a possible alternative.

I also prefer 4. c4 and then Nc3.
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03-28-2009 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bigpooch
It might be a bit late for 12. h4 g4 13. Nh2 h5 14. f3 because of 14...g3
15. Nf1 f5. If 12. h4 g4, 13. Ne1 is a possible alternative.

I also prefer 4. c4 and then Nc3.
IMO you're hugely over-estimating the move f5. I suspect it's actually bad for black to play 15 ... f5. Black is horribly underdeveloped and his king is still in the middle, so pawn breaks that create open lines to- or weaknesses around black's king can't be correct. Not to mention f5 exf5 gives white's c3 knight the beautiful e4 square. Something simple probably yields a huge edge like: 16. exf5 Nxf5 17. Bg5 Qd7 18. Ne4 and I think white has significantly improved his position.
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03-29-2009 , 02:49 AM
Generally speaking, a 2 pawn center is not enough to play against his pawn center. Nc3 and Nf3 mean you will have to lose time later to free the f pawn or he c pawn. I might go all the way back to move 3, and play f4.
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03-29-2009 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by swingdoc
IMO you're hugely over-estimating the move f5. I suspect it's actually bad for black to play 15 ... f5. Black is horribly underdeveloped and his king is still in the middle, so pawn breaks that create open lines to- or weaknesses around black's king can't be correct. Not to mention f5 exf5 gives white's c3 knight the beautiful e4 square. Something simple probably yields a huge edge like: 16. exf5 Nxf5 17. Bg5 Qd7 18. Ne4 and I think white has significantly improved his position.
You're probably right but 17...Qd7 is likely incorrect: 17...Bh6 is possible, but
I suspect White is much better here anyway because of Ne4. 12...f6 fails
because of tactical reasons: 13. hg5 fg5 14. Nxg5 hg5 15. Rxh8 Bxh8 and
16. Qh5+, so the line in question is critical which means that 12...gxh4
13. Nxh4 is likely Black's only tenable possibility which looks clearly bad for
Black.
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03-29-2009 , 12:12 PM
12. h4 g4 13. Nh2 h5 14. f3 g3 15. Nf1 b4 with the idea of ...f5 will be better
since now the Nc3 doesn't have access to e4. If White had simply played
11. h4, this ...f5 idea couldn't even be considered.
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03-29-2009 , 11:32 PM
Black's position isn't that inferior now. The time to challenge him was several moves ago.

PRO TIP: When you have a lead in development, open lines and files to benefit your pieces! Seen in this light, d5 is a blunder.

Let's look at your pieces, and see whether they are really developed:

b3: This is a useless thing
c3: Serving a purely defensive role
e3: Okay, but nothing to attack
f3: Ditto

So your pieces are developed, but they are developed uselessly. This isn't much of an advantage at all.

Black's best piece is his bishop on c8. Your problem is it's hard for you to exchange his piece away or anything.

I'd play h4 and hope for the best.
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