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01-21-2011 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PyramidScheme
its in!!!
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
That is awesome.
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Originally Posted by smilingbill
Hehe great avatar. Can't believe you still think it's cheating tho, if I remember right it was shown pretty clearly before that she's not breaking the rules. (unless she's holding the clock down? can't watch the video now)
LOL yes great avatar, someone should FB message that to her so she can send a long letter to Sklansky (a number of days later) complaining about it and claiming that she never hit the king off the board.

Smilingbill, it's really borderline imo, a number of moves were made when Krush was hitting the clock and Zatonskih was hitting her clock at the exact same time, so it technically was like Zats- was holding down the clock.

Of course this is horrible, but the more horrible thing is having a format like this in the first place (no increment).

New angle: When playing blitz, time your fast playing and clock hitting so you hit the clock the same exact moment your opponent does, so no time goes off your clock!
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01-21-2011 , 03:37 PM
Absolutely every time when I saw this happen throughout the years castling was not allowed, to me it is sort of a no brainer..? castling short on the queenside and long on the kingside would be as big of a difference in the rules as let's say allowing pawns move not 2 but 3 squares etc. Must be some weird USCF rules that allow castling in such case, you guys like to be different from others

I mean if the castling would be allowed in such case then it could certainly become a very possible angle in blitz games. Now some pricks do it to their opponents hoping that they won't see it and lose material, AND when they see it they wont be able to castle anyway. However, it is your responsibility to check if your pieces are standing correctly, so it is quite easy to avoid. However, if castling was allowed then people could intentionally do it to their own K+Q which would be much less noticeable to the opponent, and various angles stem from that.
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01-21-2011 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
Absolutely every time when I saw this happen throughout the years castling was not allowed, to me it is sort of a no brainer..? castling short on the queenside and long on the kingside would be as big of a difference in the rules as let's say allowing pawns move not 2 but 3 squares etc. Must be some weird USCF rules that allow castling in such case, you guys like to be different from others

I mean if the castling would be allowed in such case then it could certainly become a very possible angle in blitz games. Now some pricks do it to their opponents hoping that they won't see it and lose material, AND when they see it they wont be able to castle anyway. However, it is your responsibility to check if your pieces are standing correctly, so it is quite easy to avoid. However, if castling was allowed then people could intentionally do it to their own K+Q which would be much less noticeable to the opponent, and various angles stem from that.
Castling is legal under fide rules too. the king is unmoved, the rook is unmoved, and they are on the same rank. Fide has pretty relaxed castling rules.

before 1972 this would be legal:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam-Krabb%C3%A9-Rochade
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01-21-2011 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryHippo
Castling is legal under fide rules too. the king is unmoved, the rook is unmoved, and they are on the same rank. Fide has pretty relaxed castling rules.

before 1972 this would be legal:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam-Krabb%C3%A9-Rochade
Ha! Even better than Kxd5.
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01-22-2011 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HungryHippo
Castling is legal under fide rules too. the king is unmoved, the rook is unmoved, and they are on the same rank. Fide has pretty relaxed castling rules.

before 1972 this would be legal:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam-Krabb%C3%A9-Rochade
Hehe. Very nice, even though I don't understand a word.

Does anyone else think of 0-0 as "castles" a nd 0-0-0 as "triple castles? That link made me think "Quadruple castles. Excellent."
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01-22-2011 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by HungryHippo
Castling is legal under fide rules too. the king is unmoved, the rook is unmoved, and they are on the same rank. Fide has pretty relaxed castling rules.

before 1972 this would be legal:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam-Krabb%C3%A9-Rochade
How about read the rules before saying it is allowed by FIDE

http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.ht...5&view=article

A.4.a for Rapid, and B.3.a says same works for blitz.
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01-22-2011 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
How about read the rules before saying it is allowed by FIDE

http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.ht...5&view=article

A.4.a for Rapid, and B.3.a says same works for blitz.
I am mistaken. Is it the same for regular time controls? I'm sure it is but it could be different.
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01-22-2011 , 01:26 AM
For the regular time controls I believe the game HAS to be restarted no matter when you spot the irregular placement. Will have to check with the handbook though, might be mistaken
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01-22-2011 , 04:09 PM
This thread has been a REAL EYE OPENER.

Chess: not a game for gentleman.
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01-22-2011 , 04:24 PM
Chess, a game for gentlemen that is subsequently also played by scammers, like any other game in the world.
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01-22-2011 , 06:46 PM
Darren Brown's technique for playing 8 expert players simultaneously, and guaranteeing a 50% result, is pretty funny.

Here's a video of it:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8a...ers_videogames

He plays 9 experts, including a few grandmasters, and wins by 1 overall.
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01-22-2011 , 10:11 PM
I saw the video..
Spoiler:
not a bad trick,
but how did he predict the number of pieces left on each board?

Did he ever tell?
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01-22-2011 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
I saw the video..
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not a bad trick,
but how did he predict the number of pieces left on each board?

Did he ever tell?
It's really cooler not to know. Like all "magic tricks", it's boring once you know how it was done. But if you can't help yourself, here's an explanation: http://ct208.blogspot.com/2009/07/de...explained.html

(Please don't comment on it here, out of respect for those who have the willpower to resist clicking the link, and want to remain impressed.)
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01-22-2011 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by river_tilt
Darren Brown's technique for playing 8 expert players simultaneously, and guaranteeing a 50% result, is pretty funny.

Here's a video of it:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8a...ers_videogames

He plays 9 experts, including a few grandmasters, and wins by 1 overall.
lol, 'it's like i was playing a grandmaster'
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01-23-2011 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BobJoeJim
It's really cooler not to know. Like all "magic tricks", it's boring once you know how it was done. But if you can't help yourself, here's an explanation: http://ct208.blogspot.com/2009/07/de...explained.html

(Please don't comment on it here, out of respect for those who have the willpower to resist clicking the link, and want to remain impressed.)
wait, wat
Spoiler:
that link doesn't explain the trick at all, it just points out some things that are obvious to any chessplayer watching it (apart from using an engine+earpiece to beat the Oxford captain, which is a reasonable guess but hardly proven)
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01-23-2011 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RoundTower
wait, wat
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that link doesn't explain the trick at all, it just points out some things that are obvious to any chessplayer watching it (apart from using an engine+earpiece to beat the Oxford captain, which is a reasonable guess but hardly proven)
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The earpiece is the entire trick. It was also used to get the numbers of pieces (and sleight of hand to replace the planted paper with a corrected one, which isn't explicitly stated in the link I guess, but which is obviously implied, and is completely standard in the world of stage magic.)
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01-23-2011 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BobJoeJim
It's really cooler not to know. Like all "magic tricks", it's boring once you know how it was done. But if you can't help yourself, here's an explanation: http://ct208.blogspot.com/2009/07/de...explained.html

(Please don't comment on it here, out of respect for those who have the willpower to resist clicking the link, and want to remain impressed.)
lol at that link. remembering 4 moves at a time is "superb" and could not be done without an ear piece.
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01-23-2011 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BobJoeJim
It's really cooler not to know. Like all "magic tricks", it's boring once you know how it was done. But if you can't help yourself, here's an explanation: http://ct208.blogspot.com/2009/07/de...explained.html

(Please don't comment on it here, out of respect for those who have the willpower to resist clicking the link, and want to remain impressed.)
yeah I always do my best to put things in spoilers.

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Robert Chan is genuinely the weakest player of the nine. He has a vague title, and definitely looks a little awkward.
lmao wtf @ that "definitely looks a little awkward" .. i guess this guy hasnt seen most titled players
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01-25-2011 , 03:24 AM
Situation: Round 1 of a Game/60min
I was on the winning side of KR+2(unconnected) vs KR
I had 24 minutes left my opponent had 7
My rating is 1825, his was 1305


So what is my percentage to win this? 99.9%?

Well my opponent made a move and then forgot to press his clock. I stared at the board for 7 minutes as if I was thinking and let his time run out. Even in that situation. I'm a cruel and miserable person who will never be loved.
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01-25-2011 , 05:53 AM
you're such a zatonskih
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01-25-2011 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by couriermike
lol, 'it's like i was playing a grandmaster'
ha the guy he beat legit, the one guy that is I actually knew him.

he was captain of one of our opposing teams when i played for my uni, he was a 1600 player at best fwiw.....
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01-26-2011 , 12:51 AM
If he picked a 1600 player then the fact that he picked someone so low likely means it was for the purposes of beating him legitimately. Although Brown's chess must not be '****' for him to be that confident he'd beat him.
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01-26-2011 , 01:53 AM
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With regards to the 8-expert guy, I've always heard that they knew what was going on and went along with it to be on TV.
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01-26-2011 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
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With regards to the 8-expert guy, I've always heard that they knew what was going on and went along with it to be on TV.
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I always kind of figured this had to be the case for a couple of reasons.

1) It's kind of easy to figure out if you're one of the players. I mean nine of them invited to play, not able to see each others boards and the ninth person being a total noob, and him saying (I can finish with 5!) Especially when I'm sure many of them have seen this kind of cheating before/read about it in chess history etc. To perform the trick with them not being told risks one of them blurting out "wait i know how you did that!" when they figure it out.


2) Grandmasters are weird people. Obv they know they couldn't 'really' be beat by this guy. Not telling them could risk "omfg wtf you're a cheater what the hell" allegations during the match.

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02-07-2011 , 11:09 AM
Anybody heard of this?

Yesterday I played a 15 0 game on FICS with this much lower rated player. After the first couple moves, he tanks. After 4 min, I type in chat, 'r u ok?', no response. After about 7 minutes, he finally makes a move.

Could he be tanking on purpose just to see if I'd get bored and leave the game, so he could make a move and win on time? That's what it seemed like. Weird.
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