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07-25-2013 , 08:14 AM
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I see several posts after my move, so I start thinking, what could that be about? And I come up with 42. f5 Bxc5 43. Be5# So I guess I'm not yet actually threatening to take the rook. Not yet, at least.
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07-25-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
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Bh4 with Rxd4 Bf6+, and if Rd6 f5 with the same threat.
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Thanks - saw f5 but missed Bh4. Always seem to have a blind spot with moving pieces to the side of the board!

You're right it looks good
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07-25-2013 , 09:05 PM
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For some reason I didn't really think Bd4 would be a problem, but it's a much more troublesome move than I thought. During my last think, I was under the impression it would be a one-move attack and I'd just move my rook. But now, after something simple like Rb5, Re8 is actually really tough to meet. Black's pieces are coordinating nicely and actually have some real threats. The king starts to run out of space in the corner. So my idea of Rb5 looks like it doesn't meet the needs of the position.

After a good think, my new idea is Rc2, the move I'm going to play. Taking on d5 loses to the pin on the d-file, so he can't play that. If he defends the knight with something like Be3, then the e-file is blocked and he doesn't really have any threats. So I like this move and am interested to see how he meets it.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2

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07-29-2013 , 12:07 AM
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One choice here is to trade some pieces: 42...Rxd5 43. Rxd2 Rd8 with ...Bf6 likely to follow to trade off rooks. I'm still a pawn down, but the endgame might be drawn? i'm not sure.

Otherwise, I can protect the knight: 42...Be3 and this is now too much thinking. I can also move my knight: 42...Nb1 43. Bc6 is possible. These are maybe fine, but leaves him with the bishop pair which I don't like.


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5

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07-29-2013 , 12:39 AM
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Am I overlooking something? Doesn't this lose to the pin? A couple of moves ago I saw this and thought he couldn't take on d5. Maybe it's time to look a little deeper and make sure.

Obviously the bishop can't move at all, and any king or pawn move is useless because 44. Bf2 will be played. So that leaves some rook moves. Any rook move off the d-file drops the bishop, so those are out. So really we only have to look at Rd6, Rd7, and Rd8.

43...Rd8 looks like it doesn't work due to 44. Bh4 and if the rook moves, then comes 45. Rxd4 followed by 46. Bf6+. Perhaps ganstaman only looked at 44. Bf2 here and thought he could play 44...Bf6?

43...Rd7 loses to the obvious 44. Bf2 and black's only option to prolong the game is to play 44...Bxf2 and give up the exchange, which loses.

43...Rd6 walks into 44. f5 and then we get variations similar to the preceding two notes.

I've checked these lines probably ten times and really think black is lost here, but I hope I'm not overlooking something simple. I guess we'll see.


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5 43. Rxd2

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07-29-2013 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
Bh4 with Rxd4 Bf6+
That'll do it.
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07-29-2013 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
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That'll do it.
Interesting that Gansta seems to have the same blind spot I have!
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07-29-2013 , 09:16 AM
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Rd5 is obviously a blunder, but the position was lost anyway.

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07-30-2013 , 12:04 AM
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I think ...Rd8 now is the only way to make sure I don't drop more material, though I'm open to being wrong here.


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5 43. Rxd2 Rd8

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07-30-2013 , 12:10 AM
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As expected, he plays Rd8. I checked this move over another 10 times to make sure I'm not missing something and it still looks like white is winning material here. I don't see any way around it, but it is well documented that I'm prone to overlooking things.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5 43. Rxd2 Rd8 44. Bh4

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07-30-2013 , 12:49 AM
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stockfish now has it +7 for white


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07-30-2013 , 01:01 AM
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Oh, interesting.
-If I move my rook off the d-file, I lose my bishop.
-44...g5 is stupid.
-44...Bf6 45. Rxd8+ Bxd8 46. Bxd8 is losing too, down a bishop and a pawn.
-44...Rd7 and 44...Rd5 lose to 45. Bf2

Which leaves only 44...Rd6 as the only move to consider.


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5 43. Rxd2 Rd8 44. Bh4 Rd6

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07-30-2013 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Daut44
stockfish now has it +7 for white
Well, it's just 1-0 at this point. Bishop+3 pawns vs 2 pawns doesn't need much elaboration.
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07-30-2013 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
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Well, it's just 1-0 at this point. Bishop+3 pawns vs 2 pawns doesn't need much elaboration.
yea i just needed to double check to see if i was missing something. didnt think there was any sneaky way out but had to look
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07-30-2013 , 08:24 AM
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Tactics ftw.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nb4 12. Re1 a6 13. Bc4 Nb6 14. Bf1 Re8 15. h3 Kh8 16. Be3 Qc7 17. Bf2 Rb8 18. Qd2 Bd7 19. a5 Nc8 20. e5 b5 21. axb6 Nxb6 22. Ng5 Kg8 23. exd6 Qxd6 24. Nge4 Rxe4 25. Nxe4 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 N6xd5 27. Nxc5 Bb5 28. Nxa6 Bxa6 29. Bxa6 Nc2 30. Ra5 Nxe1 31. Rxd5 Nc2 32. Rd2 Nb4 33. Bc4 Nc6 34. Rd7 Bxb2 35. Rxf7 Kh8 36. Rc7 Nd4 37. g4 Rf8 38. Bg3 Nf3+ 39. Kg2 Nd2 40. Bd5 Rd8 41. Rc5 Bd4 42. Rc2 Rxd5 43. Rxd2 Rd8 44. Bh4 Rd6 45. Rxd4

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07-30-2013 , 08:50 AM
Ah, yeah. 45...Rxd4 46. Bf6+ Kg8 47. Bxd4 seems lost, so I resign. Good game. As a reward for losing, I get to read the spoilers first. I hope they show me that the Benoni is still playable.
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07-30-2013 , 09:05 AM
Good game to you too, enjoyed it very much. I'm going to go through and read the spoilers and will post some thoughts on the game as well.

Been looking forward to reading these spoilers for a long time. Not being able to see them is torture.
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07-30-2013 , 11:03 AM
If I may say, I think the main weakness shown by both players in this game is failure to think concretely enough. I saw a lot of lengthy posts describing the players' though process in words, but containing almost no variations. If you watch stronger players analyze, it's exactly the opposite, almost all variations and only occasionally thinking about general positional considerations.

I would say both players need to work on identifying candidate moves both for themselves and their opponent.
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07-30-2013 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lkasigh
If I may say, I think the main weakness shown by both players in this game is failure to think concretely enough. I saw a lot of lengthy posts describing the players' though process in words, but containing almost no variations. If you watch stronger players analyze, it's exactly the opposite, almost all variations and only occasionally thinking about general positional considerations.

I would say both players need to work on identifying candidate moves both for themselves and their opponent.
I appreciate the feedback and would be curious to hear more people's thoughts/criticisms/suggestions as well. Always looking to improve my game and stuff like this really helps.

I agree with you that I need to think more concretely, that's one thing I struggle with. I've been working on that, but without bettering my understanding of the game, I end up calculating and analyzing useless variations. It's like if 2300 elo is playing a 900. Even if you give the 900 the ability to move the pieces while calculating and limit the 2300 to something like 4 ply calculating depth, the 2300 will still crush the 900 based on his better understanding.

I've observed some interesting things through watching post-mortems with the top players. Some of them are very variation-oriented, like you said, rattling off long lines like a computer. Others seem more intuitive, just sort of being able to know where pieces belong and putting them there and speak more in generalities. A good analogy would be how some golfers are very mechanical, constantly working on their swing and analyzing every small detail, while others are what they call "feel" players, that rely primarily on rhythm and touch, rarely working on their swing's mechanics. Seems like there is a bit of this in chess as well. Of course all good players are great calculators when the position calls for it, no doubt about it.

I do feel like the majority of this game didn't require extreme calculation. There was certainly some, like the portion after black's exchange sac where I unforgivably missed the Nc2 fork, but a large part of the game was pretty thematic and there weren't many wild complications. I'm not trying to take away from your point at all, I completely agree that my calculation sucks.

That was longer and more rambly than I intended haha.
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07-30-2013 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TexAg06
I do feel like the majority of this game didn't require extreme calculation. There was certainly some, like the portion after black's exchange sac where I unforgivably missed the Nc2 fork, but a large part of the game was pretty thematic and there weren't many wild complications.
While this might be true or not (haven't followed the game to closely i have to admit), i think the general feeling amongst the crowd was that you could have got a larger advantage at several points by actually calculating some more forced lines.
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07-30-2013 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir_Desir
While this might be true or not (haven't followed the game to closely i have to admit), i think the general feeling amongst the crowd was that you could have got a larger advantage at several points by actually calculating some more forced lines.
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not trying to imply I played the game perfectly, I hope it didn't come across that way. The main problem there was my inability to calculate accurately enough, and that's something I'll have to improve on.

I got roasted for not pushing e5 earlier haha. Only wlrs felt my pain with the hesitation of not wanting to push too early and hand over a bunch of activity/squares to black when he was pretty tied up at the time. I'm pretty risk averse when it comes to committal moves like e5. Unless I see a forced win or clearly favorable position with basically no play for the opponent, I'll hold off and maneuver a little longer. I need to be more aggressive and just trust the game/position more.
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07-30-2013 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TexAg06
Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not trying to imply I played the game perfectly, I hope it didn't come across that way. The main problem there was my inability to calculate accurately enough, and that's something I'll have to improve on.

I got roasted for not pushing e5 earlier haha. Only wlrs felt my pain with the hesitation of not wanting to push too early and hand over a bunch of activity/squares to black when he was pretty tied up at the time. I'm pretty risk averse when it comes to committal moves like e5. Unless I see a forced win or clearly favorable position with basically no play for the opponent, I'll hold off and maneuver a little longer. I need to be more aggressive and just trust the game/position more.
I think this is where the human element of the game comes in. The more complex you can make the position, the greater chance your opponent will make a mistake. I really liked the e5 push early and just attacking positions. Still, it was a fun game to watch. I haven't played a single move since the chess.com debacle, but like I said, if you want to play one of these vs. Nf3 b4 let me know
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07-30-2013 , 05:08 PM
I really enjoyed this a lot. As someone who is worse than everyone who posted advice in the thread, I felt like I got a lot out of seeing the thought processes and the critiques. Definitely makes me never want to play another blitz game again and just play maybe a handful of games like this a year to try and improve.

Tex/gansta what do you guys feel you got out of it?
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07-30-2013 , 05:16 PM
Good game it was fun to follow.
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07-30-2013 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Daut44
Tex/gansta what do you guys feel you got out of it?
I learned a bit about this opening (like playing ...Nc7 instead of ...Nb4, and the importance of ...Bg4).

I'm reminded of how many blind spots I have given all the moves I didn't even consider that were/would have been strong for white.

In the opening, I assumed Tex knew the theory, an assumption I see wasn't entirely warranted (I don't know how to better phrase that -- I thought you knew it better than you did, not that you seemed lost).

And, a message I don't know why I don't get yet, I tend to underestimate attacks against me and overestimate my chances of making something from nothing. I'm sure that's common, but it's nice to see clearly.
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