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Settling Candidates Tournament by Tie-Breaks is Black Eye for Chess Settling Candidates Tournament by Tie-Breaks is Black Eye for Chess

04-03-2013 , 12:56 PM
i'd rather reward people that want to prove that they're the world champion than people that are just trying not to prove that they're not.
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04-03-2013 , 12:57 PM
Tiebreaks are where the rubber meets the road of the conflict between the Platonic ideal of a classical chess match, and the need for spectator- and sponsor-friendly matches.

Including an incentive to draw less, by rewarding 'fighting chess,' isn't going to please everyone. But nor will some tiebreak that leads to a drawfest.
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04-04-2013 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TexAg06
I think ArmyEye said it well on page one. Here's a portion of his post.



Specifically regarding this event, I would rather have seen Carlsen and Kramnik both take safe draws in the last round and then play some sort of head-to-head games to determine the winner. Instead, Kramnik was basically forced to play wildly which resulted in one of his worst games in a long time. Perhaps this is my sports background talking, but I'd much prefer to let the players face each other somehow and determine a winner that way. Like they say in sports, settle it on the field.

As DiR said, like it or not, chess is moving in the 3-1-0 direction which is probably a good thing to increase the game's popularity with the general public. But for a world championship candidates tournament like this, I'd prefer the format that encourages the best quality chess to be played.

I know this is an extreme example, and I'm not advocating this by any means, but if victories and not draws is all we're after, why not play a 128 player rapid knockout event? We'd have tons of decisive games there.
No one said that "victories and not draws is all we're after."

Besides that though, there's a major flaw in your post. You assume that the highest-quality chess somehow leads to more draws.

Houdini and Rybka draw far less than humans do, and they are well over 3000-strength.

High-quality chess =/= Safe or drawing chess.
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04-04-2013 , 02:02 PM
I'd add that playing for a draw is much easier than playing for a win in chess, radically so when facing an opponent who also isn't necessarily opposed to drawing either. The current scoring system doesn't really reflect this.
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04-05-2013 , 08:03 AM
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There's a time and a place for 'fighting chess! grrr!!' but in a tournament this massively important, I'd be more concerned with promoting the BEST chess.
Agreed. Why not just play "most wins" and just don't count draws at all?

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I'd add that playing for a draw is much easier than playing for a win in chess, radically so when facing an opponent who also isn't necessarily opposed to drawing either. The current scoring system doesn't really reflect this.
Right.

This is a tough problem to solve in the context of a DRR for candidates. It was clearly hugely exploitable when one knew one's opponent was in a must-win (e.g., very high draw contempt) situation and one was not.

Last edited by Sholar; 04-05-2013 at 08:08 AM.
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