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09-06-2010 , 01:58 AM
Anyone played this? It's an anti-French line. It goes:

1. e4 e6
2. b3 d5
3. Bb2

If Black accepts, the pawn pretty much can't be held.

Looks like a fun line, I'm always trying to rip the position open and take opponents out of their comfort zone. Any opinions?
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09-06-2010 , 07:59 AM
I play it on occasion in offhand games, basically my knowledge of the line is:
3.-dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Qe2 with ideas of castling long and lunging with the g-pawn (take e4 if you really have to, e.g. Nd4 is about to take place)
3.-Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Qg4 followed by f4, hoping to castle long again
Fun times
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09-06-2010 , 01:18 PM
I guess this line is playable for White but nothing special.

Black probably shouldn't take the pawn but just develop normally. The Bishop is really that well placed on b2 in most French defense positions.
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09-08-2010 , 06:53 PM
what happens if black takes + 4 ... f5.
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09-08-2010 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DON CASTI
what happens if black takes + 4 ... f5.
3. ... dxe4
4. Nc3 f5
5. d3 exd3 (else Black's pawn structure will get destroyed)
6. Bxd3 Nc6 (or whatever)
7. Qe2



This is a very unpleasant position for Black. White has a big lead in development. Both bishops are bearing down on the K-side where Black is going to have to castle. Bxf5 is immediately threatened. Black's e-pawn is very weak. O-O-O is coming soon, with the rook staring down the d-file at Black's queen. FireBird has this position about equal but I would far, far rather be in White's shoes.
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09-08-2010 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
3. ... dxe4
4. Nc3 f5
5. d3 exd3 (else Black's pawn structure will get destroyed)
6. Bxd3 Nc6 (or whatever)
7. Qe2
I asked the same question on chessgames.com, but I suggested (1. e4 e6 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 dxe4 4. Nc3 f5 5. d3) and now 5...e3, probably followed by 6. fxe3 Nf6.

It gives back the pawn, but doesn't give white exactly what he wants. Plus, if black can get in ...e5, then his center is ok, though maybe a bit loose (though with ...Bd6 and ...Nc6, it should hold up I'd think).

What troubled me more was 5. f3. I'm not so sure 5...e3 works as well, and really nothing looks all that great for black here.
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09-09-2010 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I asked the same question on chessgames.com, but I suggested (1. e4 e6 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 dxe4 4. Nc3 f5 5. d3) and now 5...e3, probably followed by 6. fxe3 Nf6.

It gives back the pawn, but doesn't give white exactly what he wants. Plus, if black can get in ...e5, then his center is ok, though maybe a bit loose (though with ...Bd6 and ...Nc6, it should hold up I'd think).

What troubled me more was 5. f3. I'm not so sure 5...e3 works as well, and really nothing looks all that great for black here.
yea, 5 ... e3 looks much better against 5. d3
Against 5. f3 Bd6 looks annoying.
Anyway, interesting line(s) to avoid french complications. I think i'll try it soon to see what happens.
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09-09-2010 , 05:14 PM
Don't see what's so great about e3 after d3. It just hands back the pawn and White retains his lead in development. Looks like a small plus for White to me.
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09-09-2010 , 06:46 PM
I've never played it, though a few people have played 2b3 against me. My reply has always been 2...c5 with a comfortable game.
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