too bad, the topical Rc8 lines seem to be in reasonable shape for black at the moment, whereas in the Qa5 line you just have to more or less look up the current refutation of whatever Ward came up with when he wrote "Winning with the dragon II".
I elect this move order to avoid the chinese dragon (10.O-O-O Rb8) which I don't have a lot of success attacking black's king. Generally I have to attack the center in that line which is no fun for me. A lot of games may transpose from this position after 10.Bb3 but it opens the window for 10...Nxd4 11.Bxd4 b5 which is still fine for white.
sticking to the plan. I think white is delaying the castling to speed up his attack on my king side but I don't think he can go on full force without the use of his queen side rook anyway.
My opponent doesn't know it but this Qa5 line is busted. Pretty common to see players playing the Qa5 dragon if they are rated less than 2000. If anyone wants to find the analysis you can just google "Qa5 dragon refuted" and the pdf should be on the first page. For the sake of this game I can't refer to the analysis which is unfortunate because I never memorized everything. I do know the main plans is Kb1 followed by Bg5 to set up Bxg5 followed by Nd5 ideas. For example a lot of players fall for something like 11....Rfc8 12.Kb1 Ne5 13.Bg5 Nc4 14.Bxc4 Rxc4 15.Nb3 Qc7 16.Bxg5 Bxg5 17. Nd5 Qd8 18.Nxf6 exf6 Qxd6. Not a flashy winning idea but winning is winning. I have seen a lot of games that crushed black with h4/g4 ideas so those still work.
iirc nikachu has it right, not good news for Black. 15.-Qa6 is a better line for Black? Also vague memories of some wacky stuff with Qe5 + trying to sacrifice the Q as well, dunno if it's this line
planning to play Nc4 and exchange his white bishop with my knight. This is a typical Dragon position in which black gets his rooks on c-file and attacks white's queen side relentlessly. Here white can play Nd5 and try to exchange the queens if he isn't interested in a sharp game
I have to admit Bg5 was rather unexpected. I think the idea is to play Nd5 next move and exchange queens, 2 knights and dark squared bishops on f6. I don't like to go to end game because I think my opponent probably plays better end game than I do but I don't think I can avoid it at this point. My candidate moves are Nc4 and b5:
13...Nc4
14.Bxc4 Rxc4
15.Bxf6 Bxf6
16.Nd5 Qxd2
17. Nxf6+ Kg7
18.Nh5+ Kh6
19.Rxd2 Kxh5
I think black has a slight advantage because of control over c-file. on the other hand after b5:
13...b5
14.Nd5 Qxd2
15.Rxd2 Nxd5
16.Bxd5
White is obviously better. I think I play Nc4 then.
For example a lot of players fall for something like 11....Rfc8 12.Kb1 Ne5 13.Bg5 Nc4 14.Bxc4 Rxc4 15.Nb3 Qc7 16.Bxg5 Bxg5 17. Nd5 Qd8 18.Nxf6 exf6 Qxd6. Not a flashy winning idea but winning is winning.
a better line for black would have been 13....Rc5 imo. I'm not clear how that line loses and is a natural dragonish move anyway. game would continue something like 14.h4 h5 15.Rhe1 Rac8 and then I think white goes for some sort of f4 move. In this line I know white should be winning with some sort of 14.Bxc4 Rxc4 15.Nb3 Qa6 and then I will spend an hour trying to figure out how 17.e5 wins because after 17...Nf8 I think the line goes something like Nd5 but not sure how it continues. This e5 idea is pretty common in the dragon to attack the light squared bishop on the d file. if 17. ....dxe5 18.Bxf6 Bxf6 19.Qxd7. Definitely a threat every dragon player should pay attention to every move.
I guess the wacky Qe5 ideas I was thinking of might be here after 15.Nb3 Qe5 16.f4 Qxc3!? It's incorrect though iirc so a corres game is not the right place for it 15.-Qa6 the least losing maybe? This is not going well for Black
After 18 Nxe7+ white seems a clear pawn up with a powerful central knight, domination of the semiopen d file, a weak black d pawn ripe for the pickins, and uncoordinated black peices..
Just opened this thread up to see the new game, but it looks like it's almost over!
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Originally Posted by Noir_Desir
too bad, the topical Rc8 lines seem to be in reasonable shape for black at the moment, whereas in the Qa5 line you just have to more or less look up the current refutation of whatever Ward came up with when he wrote "Winning with the dragon II".
Rc8 or Rb8 lines are definitely a much better try here...the Qa5 lines are (as many have mentioned) just completely busted at this point. Ward's WWTDII basically contained the refutation; that book didn't really make a serious effort to pretend otherwise. (Still a good introduction to the dragon; even if none of the lines against the Yugoslav are really playable at a high level, it covered the less critical stuff and the key ideas of the opening very well from what I can recall.)
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Originally Posted by smilingbill
iirc nikachu has it right, not good news for Black. 15.-Qa6 is a better line for Black? Also vague memories of some wacky stuff with Qe5 + trying to sacrifice the Q as well, dunno if it's this line
Yeah, bad news for Black, for sure. Position is going to fall apart quickly here...
Alright, let's see where he puts the queen. As far as my experience goes Qa6 is going to force me to find all the best moves (though winning). Qe5 is also not too bad though i think I just have to play Rhe1 to prepare f4 or something along those lines
That's an unpleasant move. Black queen can go to a6, c7 or d8. if 15...Qd8 then e5 would be losing a piece, if 15...Qc7 then 16.Bxf6..Bxf6 17.Nd5 looks good for white. if 15..Qc7 again 16.e5 will be annoying but I think I may be able to pull off 16..Rxc3 and get some initiative. on 16.Bxf6..Bxf6 17.Nd5 I think I can play 17..Kg7
1. e4 c5
That's an unpleasant move. Black queen can go to a6, c7 or d8. if 15...Qd8 then e5 would be losing a piece, if 15...Qc7 then 16.Bxf6..Bxf6 17.Nd5 looks good for white. if 15..Qc7 again 16.e5 will be annoying but I think I may be able to pull off 16..Rxc3 and get some initiative. on 16.Bxf6..Bxf6 17.Nd5 I think I can play 17..Kg7
17... Kg7 is bad because 18 Nxf6 requires Kxf6 else if pxN Qxd6