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11-16-2013 , 10:21 AM

#201

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Surprised the game isn't over. Carlsen clearly has a winning position here.

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11-16-2013 , 10:22 AM

#202

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Carlsen should underpromote to a knight just to troll Anand.

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11-16-2013 , 10:25 AM

#203

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GAME OVER ANAND!

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11-16-2013 , 10:29 AM

#204

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I think Magnus crushed the server as well

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11-16-2013 , 10:32 AM

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Anyone have a link for live play with commentary outside of ICC etc?

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11-16-2013 , 10:36 AM

#206

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Anand snapped at the very end of the press conference. "I don't know why you don't understand English!"

Awesome.

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11-16-2013 , 10:41 AM

#207

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By the way that was positively exhilarating. Amazing to watch what Magnus can do with nothing.

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11-16-2013 , 10:48 AM

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I don't understand how Anand could play 60.Ra4. In such positions you can just push your pawns without even thinking. A very strange blunder from Anand.

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11-16-2013 , 11:45 AM

#209

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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1

Anyone have a link for live play with commentary outside of ICC etc?

I've been watching it live on a youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aicfofficial
http://www.fritzhelp.com/js/apps/pla...nt=chennai&n=1 (<-- live board of the game)

I feel asleep near the end of the opening, and I woke up just in time to see the start of the end game. I can't believe I almost got a full night's worth of sleep but the game was still on!

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11-16-2013 , 11:55 AM

#210

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Polgar's commentary is annoying - I know she is catering to noobs but when she goes on about if black had two moves in a row he would have mate its kinda embarrassing.

Gupta with the pommy guy is good.

Wish svidler was commentating. Honest - says he has no idea when he has no idea and doesnt just make **** up. And when you get his openings like grunfeld you get gold.

Wow, Svidler is amazing at this. Seirawan sounds like an in-car GPS.

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11-16-2013 , 11:56 AM

#211

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I don't understand how Anand could play 60.Ra4. In such positions you can just push your pawns without even thinking. A very strange blunder from Anand.

Guess he was simply trying to make it possible to get the rook down to the first rank to help defend if need be. That's the only way I can make sense of the 60. Ra4 idea. Plus, pushing the b2 pawn to b4 would've blocked his rook even further. It just seemed like he didn't like the fact that his rook wasn't very flexible in this end game.

Plus, he had to have realized that he had very few options and that most moves at move 60 were losing anyway. And, after two back-to-back five hour chess games vs the worlds top ranked player, I'd probably make some kind of blunder, too.

To me (and probably for Anand), the most disappointing part about this was that he had fended off Carlsen's threats so well up until that point that a draw was inevitable had he not blundered so late (i.e., even after making mistakes in the middle game). Oh well!

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11-16-2013 , 12:25 PM

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[QUOTE=brandonruns;41037259]I've been watching it live on a youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/aicfofficial
http://www.fritzhelp.com/js/apps/pla...nt=chennai&n=1 (

Thanks

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11-16-2013 , 12:30 PM

#213

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Anand snapped at the very end of the press conference. "I don't know why you don't understand English!"

Awesome.

Yea, I thought that was pretty funny, too!

Although, while the press questions (and some of the subsequent answers) have left a lot to be desired, I think Anand let his emotions get the best of him with that last line about understanding English. He usually seems well composed and well poised. But, now, he's on the verge of psychological collapse in front of his home nation.

I hope these unfortunate losses will encourage him to play extremely hard all the way through the end of the rest of the games (as Carlsen seems to be doing, even if it's a draw).

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11-16-2013 , 12:33 PM

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I thought the question he was asked was pretty rude though. The journalist essentially seemed to ask him "what's the point of doing your best in the next games, it's clearly not good enough."

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11-16-2013 , 12:46 PM

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I thought the question he was asked was pretty rude though. The journalist essentially seemed to ask him "what's the point of doing your best in the next games, it's clot good enough."

Agreed.

But, the bottom line was that it was really just a simple, "What adjustments will you make in the upcoming games in order to improve?" sort of question. Anand just didn't have a good enough way to blow it off. And, like I tried to say, a lot of the press questions probably seem stupid/frustrating to both players. But, I'm sure the press is also fed up with the vague answers they're getting as a result of their low quality of questioning.

Basically, it just seemed like the journalist wanted a specific answer, and Anand didn't want to give one. It happens. I don't think the journalist was intentionally trying to be rude. I just think he was really just trying to force a more specific answer, and it happened to come off rudely in the heat of the moment.

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11-16-2013 , 12:56 PM

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Yeah, it's understandable that he could make a blunder, but this Ra4 move is so bizarre.

I mean even if he thought his position was objectively lost, why not just play b4 and hope for the best?

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11-16-2013 , 12:59 PM

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Dan Heisman ‏@danheisman 2m
WC Time mgmt: Game5 51...Ke6? & Game6 60...Ra4? both losing moves played unnecessarily fast by Anand http://en.chessbase.com/post/chennai...econd-straight … #chess

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11-16-2013 , 01:38 PM

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Yeah, it's understandable that he could make a blunder, but this Ra4 move is so bizarre.

I mean even if he thought his position was objectively lost, why not just play b4 and hope for the best?

In the post-game press conference, even Carlsen acknowledged the severity of Anand's rook having been blocked off, "I think [...] without these pawns it would be a dead draw. But, these pawns seriously inhibit the rook. And, h3, f3 is coming very fast."

Meanwhile, Carslen's rook was on an open file. Therefore, Anand putting his rook on the only open file isn't as bizarre as it seems (i.e., especially when even Carlsen himself admits that having it blocked was a major problem for Anand).

Ra4 solves the rook problem that even Carlsen acknowledges, but what Anand seemed to miss was that even worse was that Carlsen's f-pawn was on the verge of being promoted. 60. Ra4 was just too late, and there was literally only one move that could've saved the game for Anand. Up until then, Anand had far more options to choose from to keep the draw.

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11-16-2013 , 02:11 PM

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How much time did he have at that point?

Still, this seems like the end; Carlsen seems likely to take this match 3-0-7 at this point...Anand is getting nothing with either color and the last two games sort of fulfill predictions about how Carlsen would win games/the math.

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11-16-2013 , 03:12 PM

#220

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It's interesting both Carlsen and Anand thought b4 was way too slow in that position

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11-16-2013 , 08:04 PM

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some good analysis of the games
Game 5

Game 6

MatoJelic's game 6 isn't up yet.

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11-16-2013 , 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sholar

How much time did he have at that point?

At the move #60, Carlsen had about 58 minutes, while Anand had about 28 minutes. Not only was Anand at a time disadvantage compared to Carlsen, but in the press conference he also admitted that losing the previous game put him under extra pressure.

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MatoJelic's game 6 isn't up yet.

Mato is the BEST!!

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11-16-2013 , 08:36 PM

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Agreed.

But, the bottom line was that it was really just a simple, "What adjustments will you make in the upcoming games in order to improve?" sort of question. Anand just didn't have a good enough way to blow it off. And, like I tried to say, a lot of the press questions probably seem stupid/frustrating to both players. But, I'm sure the press is also fed up with the vague answers they're getting as a result of their low quality of questioning.

Basically, it just seemed like the journalist wanted a specific answer, and Anand didn't want to give one. It happens. I don't think the journalist was intentionally trying to be rude. I just think he was really just trying to force a more specific answer, and it happened to come off rudely in the heat of the moment.

I relistened to the clip and now I hear it how the journalist intended and how Anand took it (which is the way I initially heard it as well).

The journalist said "I'm still wondering if Mr. Anand could elaborate (on) what he means by doing your best, again. Obviously you've BEEN doing..."

I think the journalist was intending to ask for more detail on how he will regroup, but the way he phrased it also could be interpreted as saying "you've BEEN doing your best and you keep losing" which is obviously super-insulting. I think Anand took it that way and the first time I heard it I did as well.

Not that this is a big deal of course...but any drama is good drama.

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11-16-2013 , 08:54 PM

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I relistened to the clip and now I hear it how the journalist intended and how Anand took it (which is the way I initially heard it as well).

The journalist said "I'm still wondering if Mr. Anand could elaborate (on) what he means by doing your best, again. Obviously you've BEEN doing..."

I think the journalist was intending to ask for more detail on how he will regroup, but the way he phrased it also could be interpreted as saying "you've BEEN doing your best and you keep losing" which is obviously super-insulting. I think Anand took it that way and the first time I heard it I did as well.

Not that this is a big deal of course...but any drama is good drama.

I totally agree. And, I don't blame Anand either. I probably would've said something just as snippy if I was in a similar position.

But! This is the World Championship match. And, most importantly, he's facing the most intimidating opponent on the planet! It's not like this is Kramnik or Gelfand. I just wouldn't give an opponent like Carlsen any sign or comfort that I'm coming unglued emotionally (e.g., by getting snippy about a stupid question), especially when that opponent is in the driver's seat.

So, I just think it would've better suited Anand to bite his tongue and attempt to maintain his poise and to act more confident. Time after time, Anand has shown that he's probably the best player in the world at making more mistakes than his opponent but then going on to secure draws or even victories in some cases.

And, don't get me wrong, I think it's fine that he let the journalist know that it was a stupid question. But, just bring it up later or something.

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11-16-2013 , 09:03 PM

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Not that this is a big deal of course...but any drama is good drama.

Yea, like I said originally, I thought it was pretty funny. Even Karlovich and Carlsen got a good laugh. I'm glad that this is just chess where this won't go "viral" on ESPN or twitter. But, I'd rather Anand just keep calm and win the match, even though it is definitely a lot easier said than done.

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