Chess positions
12-09-2012
, 07:56 PM
Hi, i have a positions
And i just cant come up with what to do and why for white. I have some candidates but i cant tell which idea is right and how to rank them.
1) I think h3 is a ok move so that he cant pin my knight to my queen. Since if i just move the queen he will ruin the pawn structure around my kind. Bad right?
2) I could put either my bishop or my knight on d5, but i cant decide which one. I guess the knight increases its mobility more than the bishop does if it occupies that square, so maybe the knight? But also, he also has a bishop and a knight available to just trade off the pieces, so its no point in doing this?
3) I can go Be3 and d4 to start a fight in the center. I cant really see who it will favor when stuff gets traded off. One thing is that he can capture the B on e3 to double my pawns, but i will then get the f-file (similar to what i was suggested in my previous thread).
4) I can put the bisop on g5 to pin his queen to his knight. I assume the h6 will come immediately and often followed by g5 when i move back. So if that happens i feel like im squeezed into a tiny space, but maybe not? I know it will weaken his king of course. I cant determine wether its worth it or not.
5) Bd2 and Qe2 just to get it out of the way, to connect the rooks. Now the rooks can be put on either a-b-c files and start pushing the pawns forward. Not sure how effective this stuff is, cuz the second he sees me moving my pawns hes gonna do the same (usually).
6) a3 Just to narrow down the amount of available squares for his knight, thereby reducing its options.
7) Be3 -> Qd2,-> Rd1 and attack the senter?
8) Also, in the center i have the ability to put stuff in d5, but he can do the same with d4, so maybe something to prevent him from doing this?
In the end here it looks to me like maybe h3 and then something
Thank for answers
And i just cant come up with what to do and why for white. I have some candidates but i cant tell which idea is right and how to rank them.
1) I think h3 is a ok move so that he cant pin my knight to my queen. Since if i just move the queen he will ruin the pawn structure around my kind. Bad right?
2) I could put either my bishop or my knight on d5, but i cant decide which one. I guess the knight increases its mobility more than the bishop does if it occupies that square, so maybe the knight? But also, he also has a bishop and a knight available to just trade off the pieces, so its no point in doing this?
3) I can go Be3 and d4 to start a fight in the center. I cant really see who it will favor when stuff gets traded off. One thing is that he can capture the B on e3 to double my pawns, but i will then get the f-file (similar to what i was suggested in my previous thread).
4) I can put the bisop on g5 to pin his queen to his knight. I assume the h6 will come immediately and often followed by g5 when i move back. So if that happens i feel like im squeezed into a tiny space, but maybe not? I know it will weaken his king of course. I cant determine wether its worth it or not.
5) Bd2 and Qe2 just to get it out of the way, to connect the rooks. Now the rooks can be put on either a-b-c files and start pushing the pawns forward. Not sure how effective this stuff is, cuz the second he sees me moving my pawns hes gonna do the same (usually).
6) a3 Just to narrow down the amount of available squares for his knight, thereby reducing its options.
7) Be3 -> Qd2,-> Rd1 and attack the senter?
8) Also, in the center i have the ability to put stuff in d5, but he can do the same with d4, so maybe something to prevent him from doing this?
In the end here it looks to me like maybe h3 and then something
Thank for answers
12-10-2012
, 06:01 PM
Quote:
7. h3 is an okay move to prevent Bg4, it is a bit passive but so is the whole white setup (more on that later). The most active move is 7. Bg5. It pins the Nf6 and threatens 8. Nd5. This is a threat because he can't stop you from giving him a doubled pawn on f6. So after 7. Bg5 he'll play 7..h6. You can either go back like 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg4, but now he has the same threat and also can advance his h-pawn later. He doesn't even need to play 8...g5 because he can still play it after your Nd5. Or you can take on f6: 8. Bxf6 Qxf6 9. Nd5 Qd8 and nothing much has happened.
This is a typical position that a lot of beginners play because all the moves look so natural and develop the pieces to seemingly good squares. I guess I had two dozens of these games when I started...
But the white setup is not the best. After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 we have reached the basic position of the Italian Game. The most natural plan that White would want to follow in this position is to play d4. However, he can't do so now because Black has d4 defended three times and would just capture the pawn. We also see now why . Nc3 is not such a good idea: It does nothing to support d4.
In fact, the best move is 4. c3. It threatens 5. d4 and Black can do nothing to stop it; whatever he plays, White could always play 5. d4 because now he has the square d4 also attacked three times (by the Nf3, by the Qd1 and by the Pc3). So, as Black can't stop the move d4, he plays 4. Nf6 and instead attacks the undefended white pawn on e4.
From the position after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 there are two equally popular lines for White: a) Either he plays 5. d4 nonetheless: 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ (without this check, say after 6..Bb6, White has already an extremely good position with his dominant centre), and now for example 7. Bd2 Bxd2+ 8. Sbxd2 d5! is one important variation. b) Or he simply defends the e4-pawn for the time being with 5. d3. This doesn't mean White does not want to play d4 later; he simply wants to develop his other pieces first and only then play d3-d4 (or some other plan like f2-f4).
So what I am trying to say: Don't play Nc3 too soon: the square c3 is better occupied with a pawn in this position in order to threaten d4. And don't worry about your Nb1. In line a) he can later go to c3 or d2 after you play cxd4. And in line b) he is placed very well on d2. From d2 he can later go either to c4 in some lines, or - more often - via f1 (after like 0-0 and Re1) to e3 or g3.
This is a typical position that a lot of beginners play because all the moves look so natural and develop the pieces to seemingly good squares. I guess I had two dozens of these games when I started...
But the white setup is not the best. After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 we have reached the basic position of the Italian Game. The most natural plan that White would want to follow in this position is to play d4. However, he can't do so now because Black has d4 defended three times and would just capture the pawn. We also see now why . Nc3 is not such a good idea: It does nothing to support d4.
In fact, the best move is 4. c3. It threatens 5. d4 and Black can do nothing to stop it; whatever he plays, White could always play 5. d4 because now he has the square d4 also attacked three times (by the Nf3, by the Qd1 and by the Pc3). So, as Black can't stop the move d4, he plays 4. Nf6 and instead attacks the undefended white pawn on e4.
From the position after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 there are two equally popular lines for White: a) Either he plays 5. d4 nonetheless: 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ (without this check, say after 6..Bb6, White has already an extremely good position with his dominant centre), and now for example 7. Bd2 Bxd2+ 8. Sbxd2 d5! is one important variation. b) Or he simply defends the e4-pawn for the time being with 5. d3. This doesn't mean White does not want to play d4 later; he simply wants to develop his other pieces first and only then play d3-d4 (or some other plan like f2-f4).
So what I am trying to say: Don't play Nc3 too soon: the square c3 is better occupied with a pawn in this position in order to threaten d4. And don't worry about your Nb1. In line a) he can later go to c3 or d2 after you play cxd4. And in line b) he is placed very well on d2. From d2 he can later go either to c4 in some lines, or - more often - via f1 (after like 0-0 and Re1) to e3 or g3.
