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04-07-2009 , 12:07 AM
The 1700-1720 range is where I seem to have leveled off at chesstempo (standard problem set) too. Interesting.
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04-07-2009 , 05:26 AM
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On GameKnot you can declare draw after 50 moves. Is it dick move to declare draw in soon to be lost position (not next move or anything but say 15 moves later)?
Not at all. If you don't take advantage of the 50-move rule it will never get changed.
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04-07-2009 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ATrebek

I especially like the checkmate here. It's nothing real special, but I saw it the very instant he moved his queen to g5 on move 17.
You missed 17 Qxg4, free knight.
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04-07-2009 , 01:08 PM
I've been browsing openings on chessgames.com. The cool guys playing 1...d5 are now doing this:

1. e4 d5
2. exd5 Qxd5
3. Nc3 Qd6
4. d4 Nf6

And then either ... a6 or ...c6 next move depending on what white develops next.
Any comments on this?

Also, it seems to me that 3. Nf3 is a far superior move for white, because then he can do d4 and then c4 with gain of tempo.
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04-07-2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by garcia1000
I've been browsing openings on chessgames.com. The cool guys playing 1...d5 are now doing this:

1. e4 d5
2. exd5 Qxd5
3. Nc3 Qd6
4. d4 Nf6

And then either ... a6 or ...c6 next move depending on what white develops next.
Any comments on this?

Also, it seems to me that 3. Nf3 is a far superior move for white, because then he can do d4 and then c4 with gain of tempo.
That seems way more promising than what you're currently playing imho.

Here ya go. Comments from Nisipeanu. You should just be able to paste this into a file and put the extension as pgn:

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[Event "Sofia MTel Masters 3rd"]
[Site "Sofia"]
[Date "2007.05.10"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Topalov, Veselin"]
[Black "Nisipeanu, Liviu Dieter"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2772"]
[BlackElo "2693"]
[Annotator "Nisipeanu"]
[PlyCount "94"]
[EventDate "2007.05.10"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "BUL"]
[EventCategory "19"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2007.05.31"]

{The first round in such a strong tournament as the MTel Masters, has a
special signifiance for any chessplayer, especially when you have to play the
main favourite for the competition. Die Auftaktrunde in einem so starken
Turnier wie dem MTel Masters hat eine besondere Bedeutung für jeden
Schachspieler, vor allem, wenn man gegen den Hauptfavoriten der Veranstaltung
spielen muss.} 1. e4 d5 {This was the surprise I have prepared for Vesselin. I
was influenced by Tiviakov's games in Wijk aan Zee 2006 for this choice of
opening. Dies war die Überraschung, die ich für Vesselin vorbereitet hatte.
Bei dieser Eröffnungswahl wurde ich beeinflusst von Tiviakovs Partien in Wijk
aan Zee 2006.} 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. g3 $5 ({Surprisingly shy. I was
expecting Überraschend schüchtern. Ich erwartete} 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 6. Ne5 {
which is the favourite choice of strong players when they play against this
opening. , was die Lieblingswahl von starken Spielern ist, wenn sie gegen
diese Eröffnung spielen.}) 4... Nf6 5. Bg2 c6 {Probably it was better to play
g6 immediately and choose later if a pawn or a knight belongs on c6 Besser war
wahrscheinlich g6 sofort, um später zu entscheiden, ob ein Bauer oder ein
Springer nach c6 gehört.} 6. d4 g6 (6... Bf5 7. Nge2 e6 8. O-O Be7 9. h3 h5 $5
{was the choice of my 'Apa Nova Bucharest' teammate Ardelean Catalin in his
game against Peptan Corina Bucharest 2006. This option looks more in line with
the c6 move than the choice I've made in the game. war die Wahl meines 'Apa
Nova Bucharest'-Teamkollegen Ardelean Catalin in seiner Partie gegen Peptan
Corina, Bukarest 2006. Diese Möglichkeit scheint mehr mit dem Zug c6 in
Einklang zu stehen als meine Fortsetzung in der Partie.}) 7. Bf4 Qb4 ({I
didn't like the look of Unsympathisch war mir} 7... Qd8 8. Qd2 Bg7 9. O-O-O O-O
10. Bh6 $36) 8. Nge2 Bg7 9. Qc1 {A tricky move, because now, with the b2-pawn
defended, sometimes Bc7 becomes a threat. Ein trickreicher Zug, denn jetzt, wo
der b2-Bauer verteidigt ist, wird manchmal Bc7 eine Drohung.} O-O 10. O-O Bg4 {
The prospects for this bishop weren't too great anyway, so I decided to get
rid of it immediately. Die Aussichten für diesen Läufer waren sowieso nicht
besonders, daher beschloss ich, ihn sofort loszuwerden.} 11. a3 Qa5 12. h3 Bxe2
13. Nxe2 Nbd7 14. c4 ({After the game Veselin thought that Nach der Partie
hielt Veselin} 14. b4 Qa6 15. Re1 {was more promising, but after für
aussichtsreicher, doch nach} Qc4 $5 (15... Nb6 16. Bf1 Nc4 17. Nc3 $14) 16. c3
a5 17. Rb1 axb4 18. Rxb4 Qa6 19. c4 Nh5 20. Be3 e5 {the position is unclear.
ist die Stellung unklar.}) 14... e5 15. b4 Qc7 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Qc2 $14 {
White has a slight edge because of the bishop pair, but Black's position is
very solid. Aufgrund des Läuferpaars hat Weiß ein leichtes Plus, aber die
schwarze Stellung ist sehr solide.} a5 $1 {The right moment for this move,
because now White cannot play b5. Der richtige Moment für diesen Zug, denn
jetzt kann Weiß nicht b5 spielen.} 18. Rae1 axb4 19. axb4 Rfe8 20. c5 ({The
more direct Das direktere} 20. Nd4 Rad8 21. Rxe5 Rxe5 22. Nf3 Nh5 23. Nxe5 Bxe5
24. Bg5 Bf6 $11 {would have only helped Black. hätte nur Schwarz geholfen.})
20... Nd5 21. Bd2 Nd7 $1 {It looks strange to retreat a knight from the centre,
but this knight belongs on e6. Es wirkt seltsam, einen Springer vom Zentrum
abzuziehen, aber diese Figur gehört nach e6.} 22. Qc4 $1 {Of course, Veselin
does not give me the chance to execute Nf8-e6. Natürlich lässt mich Veselin
nicht zu Nf8-e6 kommen.} (22. Nf4 Nxf4 23. Bxf4 Be5 24. Bh6 Nf8 $14 {was
another possiblity, but in my opinion White has more chances of success if he
keeps the knights on the board. war eine andere Möglichkeit, aber m.E. hat
Weiß größere Erfolgschancen, wenn er die Springer auf dem Brett behält.}) 22...
N7f6 (22... b5 $6 {is what the computer suggests, but humans know that pawns
don't move backwards. ist der Computervorschlag, aber Menschen wissen, dass
Bauern nicht rückwärts ziehen.}) 23. g4 $5 {I felt happy when I saw this move,
because in the long run the f4 square could become weak. On the other hand
White is gaining space on the kingside and hopes to realize f4-f5 one day.
Ich war froh, als ich diesen Zug sah, denn langfristig könnte das f4-Feld
schwach werden. Andererseits erobert Weiß Raum am Königsflügel und hofft,
eines Tages zu f4-f5 zu kommen.} (23. Nc3 Qd7 24. Nxd5 Nxd5 25. b5 h5 {is
close to equality. ist nahezu ausgeglichen.}) 23... h5 $1 {This move is aimed
at weakening White's pawns on the kingside. Dieser Zug soll die weißen
Bauern am Königsflügel schwächen.} 24. Ng3 ({I expected Ich erwartete} 24. g5
Nh7 25. Ng3 Nf8 26. Ne4 Red8 27. Nd6 Rxd6 28. cxd6 Qxd6 {when Black appears to
have decent compensation for the exchange. , wonach Schwarz ordentliche
Kompensation für die Qualität zu haben scheint.}) 24... hxg4 25. hxg4 Qd7 26.
g5 Rxe1 27. Rxe1 Ne8 $1 $11 {After this move, which prepares Ne8-c7, I thought
that Black has no problems; a fresh look at it has not changed my evaluation.
Nach diesem Zug, der Ne8-c7 vorbereitet, dachte ich, dass Schwarz keine
Probleme hat; ein frischer Blick darauf hat meine Einschätzung nicht geändert.}
28. Bf3 ({After Nach} 28. Ne4 Be5 29. Qb3 Nec7 30. Bh3 Qd8 31. Bf1 Ne6 $15 {
the weakness of the f4 square begins to tell. beginnt sich die Schwäche des
f4-Feldes bemerkbar zu machen.}) 28... Nec7 29. Bg4 Qd8 30. Kg2 Nb5 31. Rd1 Ra1
$5 (31... Ra3 32. Ne4 Be5 33. Re1 $11) 32. Rxa1 Bxa1 33. Bf3 Be5 34. Ne2 (34.
Bxd5 {was safer, but Veselin was trying to take advantage of my slight
timetrouble. war sicherer, aber Veselin versuchte, meine leichte Zeitnot
ausnutzen.}) 34... Ndc7 35. Be3 Ne6 36. Bg4 Nbc7 37. Qe4 ({After Nach} 37. f4
Nd5 (37... Bg7 $5) 38. Kf2 Nxe3 39. Kxe3 Nxf4 40. Nxf4 Qxg5 41. Qe4 Kg7 42. Kf3
Qf6 {is a draw. ist es Remis.}) 37... Bg7 38. f4 Qd1 39. Kf2 Bc3 $1 {Now it is
clear that White should start thinking about a draw, but my opponent was still
playing very quickly and was obviosly upset about the course that the game had
taken. Nun ist klar, dass Weiß an ein Remis denken sollte, doch mein Gegner
spielte noch immer sehr schnell und war offensichtlich beunruhigt von dem
Verlauf, den die Partie genommen hatte.} 40. b5 $6 (40. Nxc3 Qxg4 41. Qe5 Qh4+
42. Kf3 {was probably good enough for a draw. war wahrscheinlich gut genug für
ein Remis.}) 40... Qe1+ {It is almost impossible to refrain from such a move
with the seconds ticking away. Wenn die Sekunden verrinnen, ist es fast
unmöglich, sich einen solchen Zug zu verkneifen.} ({Also possible was
Ebenfalls möglich war} 40... Nxb5 41. f5 (41. Bxe6 Qe1+ 42. Kg2 Qxe2+ 43. Kg1
Kf8 $1 $19) 41... gxf5 42. Qxf5 Qh1 43. Nxc3 Nxc3 44. Bf3 Qh2+ $15) 41. Kg2 Nd5
42. bxc6 bxc6 43. Qd3 $2 ({After the correct Nach dem korrekten} 43. Bc1 Bd2
44. Bxd2 Qxd2 45. Bxe6 Nxf4+ 46. Qxf4 Qxe2+ 47. Kg3 Qxe6 $15 {it is unlikely
that Black can win this ending. ist es unwahrscheinlich, dass Schwarz dieses
Endspiel gewinnen kann.}) 43... Bd4 $1 {Now it is all over. Jetzt ist alles
vorbei.} 44. Bxe6 Nxe3+ 45. Kh2 Qf2+ 46. Kh3 Qf3+ {I had seen this line long
before, and since it wins a piece, I didn't bother to look for something else.
Dieses Abspiel hatte ich schon lange vorher gesehen, und da es eine Figur
gewinnt, machte ich mir nicht die Mühe, etwas anderes zu suchen.} ({Simpler
was Einfacher war} 46... Qg2+ 47. Kh4 Qh2+ 48. Bh3 Qf2+ 49. Ng3 Qxf4+) 47. Ng3
Qg2+ 0-1
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04-07-2009 , 03:06 PM
After:

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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 f6 6. O-O Bc5 7. d3 d6 8. Be3 
Bxe3 9. fxe3 Nge7 10. d4 Bb7 11. c3 Na5 12. Nbd2 Nxb3 13. axb3 O-O 14. c4 b4 
15. d5 c5 16. Nh4 g6 17. Qe1 Bc8 18. Qg3 Kh8 19. Rf3 Ng8 20. h3 Ra7 21. Qf2 
Raf7 22. g4 g5 23. Nf5 h6 24. Qh2 Rh7 25. Kf2 h5 26. Rh1 h4 27. Ke2 Nh6 28. 
Rhf1 Nxf5 29. exf5 Re8 30. e4
I find myself here. Who has the advantage if one exists and why? What is white's plan? What is black's plan?
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04-07-2009 , 03:33 PM
e3-e4 might be a serious positional blunder; you want that square for your knight. What is your knight going to do for the rest of the game now?
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04-07-2009 , 08:46 PM
Yeah, you definitely should have played Ne4 there. It's probably still a draw but White can screw around for a while threatening various sacs (exchange sac on a6, knight sac on d6 or f6 or g5, etc.).

The position you posted is 99% likely to be a draw. White might have some weird sac that he can play but I doubt it.
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04-07-2009 , 10:37 PM
FWIW Black is actually the one who will decide whether to play for a win, since he has the only pawn break (...a4). Of course, this may involve giving the first player some chances as well. But if one can speak of a practical advantage here, it lies with black.

Very odd position.
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04-07-2009 , 11:06 PM
After e4? white has no winning chances. All he can do is place his rooks on a1 and a2, queen on b1, knight on c1. Black can move ...a5, and then Queen on a8, rooks on a7 and a6, bishop on d7, king on e7, and then try ...a4.
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04-07-2009 , 11:13 PM
It would take White ten moves to achieve that set-up, while it would only take Black eight moves to get his bishop on d7, rooks on a6 and a7, queen on a8, and pawn on a4. Since White won't be able to break through on the kingside I don't think it would be necessary for Black to put his king on e7.

So White would need to forgo two of those preparatory moves.
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04-08-2009 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by garcia1000
After e4? white has no winning chances. All he can do is place his rooks on a1 and a2, queen on b1, knight on c1. Black can move ...a5, and then Queen on a8, rooks on a7 and a6, bishop on d7, king on e7, and then try ...a4.
I don't think e4 actually changes the evaluation. I'm reasonably sure it's a a draw either way. After Ne4 f6 and d6 are perfectly safe and there's just no way to increase the pressure because the pawn on e3 is blocking everything in white's camp. I'm not saying e4 is good. Quite the opposite is true. e4 is actually quite a bad move because it prevents black from making the mistake of playing e4 himself. After e4 Ra1 Rff1 Nf3 Qd2 or f2 you have the same breakthrough ideas on the kingside for white.

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Originally Posted by quickfetus
FWIW Black is actually the one who will decide whether to play for a win, since he has the only pawn break (...a4). Of course, this may involve giving the first player some chances as well. But if one can speak of a practical advantage here, it lies with black.

Very odd position.
I would be pretty shocked if anything worked on the a file. Plus that's no more dangerous to white than Nf3 Qf2 is to black.
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04-08-2009 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by garcia1000
I've been browsing openings on chessgames.com. The cool guys playing 1...d5 are now doing this:

1. e4 d5
2. exd5 Qxd5
3. Nc3 Qd6
4. d4 Nf6

And then either ... a6 or ...c6 next move depending on what white develops next.
Any comments on this?

Also, it seems to me that 3. Nf3 is a far superior move for white, because then he can do d4 and then c4 with gain of tempo.
I was looking at this line last weekend because I thought one of my opponents might play it. I felt really happy about my chances after looking at games like this one:

[Event "CRO-chT"]
[Site "Sibenik"]
[Date "2005.10.06"]
[Round "8.4"]
[White "Zelcic, Robert"]
[Black "Sermek, Drazen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2533"]
[BlackElo "2531"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 a6 6. g3 Bg4 7. Bg2 Nc6 8. O-O O-O-O 9. d5 {It looks like Black might be OK here and maybe White has even overstretched with the d-pawn, but Black can't solve his problems here and he does terrible in practice} Nb4 (9... Ne5 10. Bf4 Nxf3+ 11. Bxf3 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Qd7 (12... e5) 13. Rad1 {and Black still has problems with his development}) 10. h3 Bh5 11. Bf4 Qc5 12. Be3 Qd6 {if Black's best chance out of the opening is to try to repeat moves, it can't be good} ({the alternative is} 12... Qa5 13. g4 Bg6 ({GM Michele Godena decided instead to give up the exchange out of desperation with} 13... Nbxd5 14. Nxd5 Rxd5 15. Bd2 Rxd2 16. Qxd2 Qxd2 17. Nxd2 +/- {but soon lost anyway, Kotronias-Godena, Batumi 2002}) 14. Nd4 Nbxd5 15. Nb3 Qb4 16. Nxd5 Nxd5 17. Bxd5 e6 18. a3 Qb5 19. c4 Qe8 20. Bxb7+ Kxb7 21. Na5+ Kc8 22. Qf3 +- {and Black cannot stop the invasion of the White Queen, Skripchenko-Mamedjarova, EU-chT(W) 2007}) 13. Bf4 Qc5 14. Be3 Qd6 (14... Qa5) 15. Qe2 e5 (15... Nbxd5 16. Nxd5 Nxd5 17. Rad1 Qf6 18. c4 Nxe3 19. Rxd8+ Kxd8 20. Qxe3 +/- {it's surprisingly hard for Black to deal with the threats based around Qa7, Rasik-Antoniewski, Ostrava 2006}) 16. dxe6 Qxe6 17. g4 Bg6 18. Nd4 Qe7? {this looks like the decisive mistake} ({After} 18... Qe8 {I think White is clearly more comfortable but Black has chances. h7-h5, Bf8-d6, either N to d5 are ideas.}) 19. a3 Nbd5 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. Nc6! bxc6 22. Qxa6+ Kd7 23. c4 Be4 24. cxd5 cxd5 25. Qb5+ Kc8 26. Qa6+ Kd7 27. Rac1 Bxg2 28. Rxc7+! Kxc7 29. Rc1+ Kb8 30. Qb6+ 1-0

Of course there are lots of alternatives for Black. But I think he isn't causing White any problems and if you aren't causing White problems then you should at least be able to get your pieces out, that didn't happen in a lot of these games.

Still 3...Qd6 has been played by lots of strong players (including very regularly by Tiviakov) and I've played openings that are ten times dodgier. So I can't say you should avoid it, all I'm saying is that it doesn't scare me as White.

Of course, in the actual game my opponent played 1...c5 (much more scary) and went on to win. So much for preparation.

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04-08-2009 , 12:56 PM
You know. I half think the sicilian wouldn't be nearly as nice an opening if not for the anti-sicilians. So many people seem willing to play the most incredibly mediocre moves (like 1. e4 c5 2. b3) just to avoid theory, and it's quite pleasant.
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04-08-2009 , 02:05 PM
I don't understand YARDBIRD on ICC. He seems to play so bland. His openings are mediocre, he rarely puts his opponent under much pressure and he's tactically quite sloppy (well given his rating), but he's always 2400+ 5-min ICC and he's 2500+ ELO. I follow his games and I still just don't get it. And I don't think it's just because his play is so far above my head. I can follow the games of most of the top 5-min players and perfectly understand their play and also why they are 2500+ and I'm not. But YARDBIRD, I just don't get it.
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04-08-2009 , 03:06 PM
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I don't understand YARDBIRD on ICC. He seems to play so bland. His openings are mediocre, he rarely puts his opponent under much pressure and he's tactically quite sloppy (well given his rating), but he's always 2400+ 5-min ICC and he's 2500+ ELO. I follow his games and I still just don't get it. And I don't think it's just because his play is so far above my head. I can follow the games of most of the top 5-min players and perfectly understand their play and also why they are 2500+ and I'm not. But YARDBIRD, I just don't get it.
Heh yea, I have a big plus score vs him over the years. I cannot fathom how a) he plays so bad, he is much better than me at chess after all b) how does he stay so high-ranked
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04-08-2009 , 03:14 PM
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Heh yea, I have a big plus score vs him over the years. I cannot fathom how a) he plays so bad, he is much better than me at chess after all b) how does he stay so high-ranked
Just a wild guess here, but does he have a massive plus score against Strawman1 through Strawman57?
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04-08-2009 , 09:07 PM
Ok I changed my mind again
I might continue playing 1. c4 as white. Because that transposes into just as many, if not more, openings than 1. d4, and they are just as sound.
But I like 1. c4 more. Opinions?

Also I might try out the French Defense also, except I want to develop the c8 bishop first. That opening looks fun but if I played Bf5 first then it would be better
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04-08-2009 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by garcia1000
Also I might try out the French Defense also, except I want to develop the c8 bishop first. That opening looks fun but if I played Bf5 first then it would be better
That's pretty much the idea of the Caro-Kann which you apparently have been playing.
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04-08-2009 , 10:27 PM
Oh

um

yeah I figured because sometimes when playing Scandinavian it goes 1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. d4 Bg4

And then after I do e6 it is a pretty fun position to play, and that is like a transposed French Defense
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04-09-2009 , 05:02 AM
1. e4 d5 2. e5? is simply an antipositional blunder that already probably has the game as =+. You can't ever realistically aim to get such positions from any opening.

If you want active piece play, then play the sicilian! The caro kann, you get somewhat bland/passive/cramped positions in exchange for a great bishop, in the french you get active play in exchange for having a terrible light bishop (and white having alot of very dangerous lines), in the alekhine you get good piece play in exchange for a serious lack of space, in the e5 lines you get easy development and good play in exchange for a somewhat defensive position, in the sicilian - you get everything in exchange for nothing!

IMO
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04-09-2009 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dire
1. e4 d5 2. e5? is simply an antipositional blunder that already probably has the game as =+. You can't ever realistically aim to get such positions from any opening.

If you want active piece play, then play the sicilian! The caro kann, you get somewhat bland/passive/cramped positions in exchange for a great bishop, in the french you get active play in exchange for having a terrible light bishop (and white having alot of very dangerous lines), in the alekhine you get good piece play in exchange for a serious lack of space, in the e5 lines you get easy development and good play in exchange for a somewhat defensive position, in the sicilian - you get everything in exchange for nothing!

IMO
What's the catch to Sicilian?
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04-09-2009 , 06:06 AM
Also what if I was black and I moved my pawn between c6 and c5 on my first move and pretend everything is okay? Then they think I played the Sicilian and they do 2. Nf3. Then I'd play 2. d5 and say "adjust" and move my pawn to c6!
If they play 2. d4 then I'd play cxd4 obv
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04-09-2009 , 07:31 AM
The downside to the sicilian is time. You spend quite alot of time maneuvering about with your pawns and pieces. White on the other hand is playing very classically and simply developing his pieces to their best locations, gaining central space and can come down on your king quick. The exception being if white plays an anti-sicilian in which case you get all the pros of the sicilian, with none of the cons. And at least against my opponents, I run into anti-sicilians a huge percentage of the time.

So you give white a certain amount of initiative. But you get excellent piece play, great structure and should an endgame occur black almost always has the best of it.
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04-09-2009 , 03:32 PM
Another huge perk for black in the sicilian is that if white makes even the slightest misstep black can completely take over the game so quickly. I don't think any other opening constantly manages to force white to walk such a tight rope.

I just had this fun position:



White has a standard position with his usual small edge. With one natural but careless move, his position collapsed and black developed a winning initiative: 1. Nd2? Nf4 2. Qe3 dxe5 3. dxe5 g5! and suddenly every single one of black's pieces was bearing down on white.

How can you not love positions like that?
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