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04-25-2014 , 04:32 PM
If you are talking about Curtains, he was first and foremost a chess player

to be honest, I don't know any poker pros-turned chess pros.
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04-25-2014 , 05:13 PM
You can learn poker in like a matter of months - and if you are talented enough - can go pro. Chess would take many years to become a professional chess player.
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04-25-2014 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin
You can learn poker in like a matter of months - and if you are talented enough - can go pro. Chess would take many years to become a professional chess player.
Right, I agree there is def more mental stimulation to be had in the sense of reaching pro but just odd imo because poker players tend to obv be money-driven and gambley obv, none of which are present in chess
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04-25-2014 , 06:50 PM
Yeah but it's still a mentally stimulating game and puzzle. It's not like people who make money at poker aren't stimulated by other things. Chess has been around for hundreds of years and will be for hundreds more. It really is a terrific game. It's not hard to understand why anybody - poker player or otherwise - would get bit by the chess bug.
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04-25-2014 , 06:56 PM
Less variance in chess.

And anyone know how to turn off the damn signature my phone keeps putting in posts so I don't have to delete it every time?

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04-25-2014 , 07:05 PM
just go to your settings in your phone app - it's pretty easy

if playing on chess.com is free why the hell am I on fics?
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04-25-2014 , 07:26 PM
Thank you!
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04-25-2014 , 07:55 PM
chess.com is free but they sure are annoying with their incessant pleas for your premium membership.
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04-25-2014 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
just go to your settings in your phone app - it's pretty easy

if playing on chess.com is free why the hell am I on fics?
because chess.com sucks and fics is pretty darn good (and no ads).

(imo)
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04-25-2014 , 08:44 PM
I can never win on FICS lols
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04-26-2014 , 12:34 AM
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because chess.com sucks and fics is pretty darn good (and no ads).

(imo)
Ah sweet I'll stay there. I have some skin that's pretty good and thought I was doing it wrong.
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04-26-2014 , 12:58 AM
I like chess.com b/c it seems like most of the players in this forum have an account there so it's fun to play matches against them.
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04-26-2014 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Meditations
Right, I agree there is def more mental stimulation to be had in the sense of reaching pro but just odd imo because poker players tend to obv be money-driven and gambley obv, none of which are present in chess

I play poker professionally and started out in chess.

Chess was a hobby I was never going to be anywhere near good enough to make more than pocket change from it.

I didn't play to make money I played because its an amazing game.

Poker well its also an amazing game but being both a better poker play than chess player and that well you don't have to be anywhere near elite to make money at it led me down that path. But, I didn't start out playing poker to make money as silly as that sounds.
I started because I was drawn to the strategy of it, early on it seemed obvious that there was more than basic strat to the game.

I still play chess (not at all competitively and after a long break) but again because its fun and mentally stimulating same reason most smart people are drawn to games of strategy.

So seems pretty clear chess players would be drawn to a strat game which also can make you money.


Also lol at that thread which is harder chess or poker. Chess and its not even close to be honest, not really sure how anyone could really be arguing the oppostie.
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04-26-2014 , 10:09 AM
YouKnowWho had a great post about playing more dynamically a few months back, and I've been trying to do so...apparently, my interpretation of this results in regressing to my patzer days of early queen sorties and running the h-pawn. (Sometimes with great results, sometimes looking ridiculous.)

Here's a recent OTB game where I'd like to hear some thoughts, especially about the middlegame plans.
My comments:
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6.e4 fxe4 7.f3 was suggested to me later as a better way to challenge the opening. I had no idea what was going on and was pretty shocked by 6...e5, but it was played instantly as a book move and does look strong.

Move 10 might be an error for me...and maybe 11.Qb5 instead? I was still hoping to keep the kingside attack going...

21...e5? is just a gift to me, but I was afraid of the knight reaching e4 (what else is new in this game) and ended up in a rooks and pawns endgame I couldn't win.

24. g3/g4 rather than e3 seems like the winning idea here. The rest of the game was played in time trouble.
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04-26-2014 , 10:59 AM
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...apparently, my interpretation of this results in regressing to my patzer days of early queen sorties and running the h-pawn. (Sometimes with great results, sometimes looking ridiculous.)
This part of your post made me smile, because I've had a very similar experience trying to do the same thing. As with anything, trying out new concepts often leads to the pendulum swinging too far both ways. When trying to "play more dynamically", I found myself trying to force things in quiet, equal positions or starting unjustified attacks on the king. It's an ongoing, painful process

I'll put my comments about your game in a spoiler as to not influence anyone else with my worthless thoughts.

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I've actually played against this opening a couple of times OTB against a 2200 player, and I think it's called the Dzindi-Indian. It looks awfully strange, but is surprisingly tough to break down. I looked at some games, and I don't remember the exact details, but I saw some lines with an early e4 and then h4 for white, basically trying to refute the opening. It definitely leads to dynamic play

Is the 6. Qa4 idea a main line? To me, the queen looked misplaced in this game. I feel like if the queen goes over there, you probably need to drum up some queenside play. In this game, the queen goes to a4, and then play continues on the kingside with Bg5 and h4.

I wish I had more good advice, but I don't have a lot of good recommendations. Moves 12-21 were basically a bunch of simplifications, and since the queen was out of play, black was never in any real danger.
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04-26-2014 , 01:02 PM
Thanks, Tex. Not sure whether 6.Qa4 is standard (never studied this opening); it was aimed against Black's Qa5. It didn't help that I was trying to work all this stuff out over the board...next time I might just avoid the mess with 3.e4.
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04-26-2014 , 01:38 PM
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I don't really like how either side played the opening.
What's the point of 6.Qa4?
Why 6...e5?. Why dxe6? 7.Nf3 seems stronger.

Okay, in the early middle game. I think maybe Bh6 is not the best - it was better just to develop with g3 or Nh3.

I don't think the complications after Bh6 brought White much, and I don't see how he could have improved after. If anyone had chances, I think it would have been Black, but I don't see anything too clear either. Both sides have their pieces on funny squares, so it's a difficult position to evaluate.

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04-26-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Thanks, Tex. Not sure whether 6.Qa4 is standard (never studied this opening); it was aimed against Black's Qa5. It didn't help that I was trying to work all this stuff out over the board...next time I might just avoid the mess with 3.e4.
I just put the position after 5...f5 into Chessbase, and here are the most commonly played moves.

6. Nf3 - 201
6. h4 - 198
6. e4 - 147

Those are the main ones, and then g3, g4, f3, and Bf4 have all been played between 40-80 times each.

I don't think you have to worry too much about black playing Qa5, because you can play Bd2 and then black's queen is the one that is misplaced.

This opening sort of reminds me of some strange hybrid of the Nimzo (for the doubled c-pawns) and the Dutch (for f5, obviously) and it's surprisingly difficult to play against. I think the most promising plans are those with an early e4, that move is scoring the best in the database.
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04-26-2014 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sholar
Thanks, Tex. Not sure whether 6.Qa4 is standard (never studied this opening); it was aimed against Black's Qa5. It didn't help that I was trying to work all this stuff out over the board...next time I might just avoid the mess with 1.e4.
Fyp
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04-26-2014 , 02:18 PM
Sholar, do you remember what thread my post was in? I cannot locate it. Definitely need to read it myself, maybe I will remember how to play dynamically
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04-26-2014 , 02:55 PM
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Why 6...e5?. Why dxe6? 7.Nf3 seems stronger.

Okay, in the early middle game. I think maybe Bh6 is not the best - it was better just to develop with g3 or Nh3.
Thanks, agree that Bh6 didn't amount to much, and maybe simple development was better. After 6...e5 7.Nf3 Qc7 etc. (8.g3 Nf6 9.Bg2 0-0 10.0-0 d6) Black's position seems much easier to play.

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I don't think you have to worry too much about black playing Qa5, because you can play Bd2 and then black's queen is the one that is misplaced.
Thanks, Tex, although I don't totally trust popularity here. With respect to Qa5...maybe...but then Black gets pressure on c3 with the option of Nxd2 at any time. Not saying it's bad, just felt very passive at the time.

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Sholar, do you remember what thread my post was in? I cannot locate it. Definitely need to read it myself, maybe I will remember how to play dynamically
Vegas, baby.
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04-26-2014 , 06:28 PM
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Curtains is a beast. I watch his videos fairly often can't believe how many he cranks out. Watching actual good players play chess is more interesting to me than when I play myself cuz I suck, lol. I've been watching quite a lot of games and lectures on the Siquefield (sp?) youtube site as well. Again, much cooler than playing.
He's my favorite chess personality. His most recent slate of three- and five-minute games has been quite the romp. One of them, a loss that ended a streak, finished with a demon-like war cry to which his cat must have responded "Silly human, why are you so emo?" Today's game doesn't have the commentary theatrics of the last few,
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but it ends with an ultra sick tactic for the time control.


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04-27-2014 , 02:48 AM
I keep winning games. It's almost inexplicable. Still dropping pieces. When it happens I don't fret and try to counter attack and it's been working. Just hit 1310 right now on Chesscube, first time ever over 1300. Chess.com is a different story since I decided to play a lot of games on my phone last night. Breaking news: you will lose under tight time controls playing on a phone. Haha. I don't think I've ever won a game on my phone. Probably doesn't help that I'm usually playing at 5am under the influence of sleeping meds. Oh my I lost 7 in a row on my phone last night, lmao.

Here's my latest winning position...



I don't need no stinkin' material!

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04-27-2014 , 03:12 AM
For newbs like me:

https://www.youtube.com/user/STLChessClub/playlists

I feel like watching several of these lectures have helped me more than anything else. I've tried to read about chess online a few times but it neither captures my attention or sinks in (these seem related) but videos where I'm seeing positions evolve and ways to counter attack where multiple lines are discussed, yeah I think there's SOMETHING rubbing off here. I don't know what video specifically. Even the 'advanced' lectures seem helpful. I just started watching them for fun. Not even to 'study' the game. It was interesting to watch. And hell I must've picked up something in the process.
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04-27-2014 , 06:51 AM
Those lectures are very good. I recommend the ones by ronan his very watchable
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