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Can someone tell me why White resigns in the final position of this game?

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1698594

Is there a forced mate somewhere? Or is it just after 36 ... Nxf3 37 gxf3 Rxf3 that Black's 3 unblocked pawns on the g and h files are too much for White despite almost equal material (N for 4 pawns)?

I just can't find an easy win for Black. Admittedly, I'm not very good.

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11-19-2012 , 07:50 PM

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John_Douglas

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

I don't think there's an immediate forced mate, but I think Nxf3 gxf3 is going to be pretty crushing against whatever White does. For example 36.Kd2 Nxf3 37.gxf3 Qd4+ 38.Ke2 Re8 and mate on f2. Or if 38.Kc2, Black can just take on c5 and go into a winning endgame.

Or if 36.Kd3 Nxf3 37.gxf3 Rxf3+ and White won't last long.

Or 36.Ke3 Nxf3 37.gxf3 d4+ is pretty much the same. It looks like there are a lot of winning options in every line..

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11-21-2012 , 02:09 AM

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Mariogs37

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Can someone explain why ICC is better than chess.com? So far I like chess.com's interface way more and find ICC hard to use...

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11-21-2012 , 04:16 PM

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KyleJRM82

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Higher quality opponents, less cheating at the high levels, and much better training materials.

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11-21-2012 , 07:08 PM

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Melkerson

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Originally Posted by John_Douglas

Thanks. It certainly felt winning for Black, but I thought White might be able to try to salvage a draw somehow. But I suppose it really is futile.

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11-22-2012 , 10:14 AM

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John_Douglas

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Thanks. It certainly felt winning for Black, but I thought White might be able to try to salvage a draw somehow. But I suppose it really is futile.

You also have to remember that these are IM strength players. Against weaker players, it would definitely be worth playing a few more moves in this position.

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11-29-2012 , 07:11 AM

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wlrs

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Judit's pretty badass: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8654. Too bad she didn't manage to finish Magnus off after winning the first game of their minimatch in UNAM just a few days ago

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11-29-2012 , 09:58 AM

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Wilco666

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Reading this forum inspired me to pick up chess again this week, after a hiatus of more than fifteen years.

I used to be an average club player, and of course after all this time my knowledge is a bit rusty.

Coming from the pre-internet era, I'm feeling like a kid in a candy shop, with the abundance of online training methods and possibility to play games online against opponents from all over the world.

Thanks everybody.

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11-29-2012 , 11:55 AM

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wlrs

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wb to chess, getting back close to old shape shouldn't take terribly long

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12-07-2012 , 10:19 AM

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All-inMcLovin

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Question:

If you could read Carlsen's mind while playing him, could you defeat him in a game of chess (classical time control w/ increment)?

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12-07-2012 , 09:57 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Yes.

Start reciting his inner monologue until he freaks out, and say that if he doesn't resign you'll turn him into a spider. You can read his mind, which is supposedly impossible, so he'll probably think you're capable of this. This will fail if he actually wants to become a spider.

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12-08-2012 , 06:38 AM

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lastcardcharlie

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LOL, WTF is this ****?

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12-08-2012 , 09:49 AM

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Ajezz

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So I am just preparing for our league match tomorrow and I will probably play against this 17-year-old who plays the classical Dragon. I have decided to abstain from my beloved 2. c3 this one time and try to slay the dragon instead. First time in 12 years that I'm going to play the open Sicilian, should be fun.

At least I am booked up on theory now.

The other likely opponent is rated 150 points higher than the kid and plays the Pirc. I really hope I can avoid that...

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12-09-2012 , 07:16 AM

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ChrisV

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Originally Posted by Ajezz

Okay, so I know that the computer analysis of games by chess.com is not really brilliant, but this analysis here gave me some headache:

1. e4 e6?! ( 1... e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bd6 5. d3 O-O 6. Be3 a6 7. Bxc6 dxc6 8. Nc3 )
(0.64) INACCURACY - Perhaps better was 1... e5

So it seems the French is a mistake. That's sad, I was always very fond of it, but in my heart I suspected it might be dubious; so now I know for sure.

The big surprise is - of course - that the Berlin seems to be best because after the line given by the analysis (where undoubtely only the best moves are played) the verdict is "Black has a slight advantage". I guess this line calls the whole 1. e4 move into question.

Reti Gambit tho

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12-09-2012 , 08:50 AM

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Sholar

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That's an old post to quote...although the top GMs seem to be relying on chess.com computer analysis for their opening selection.

There are a few ways to reach the second diagram (not sure how to figure out the most common path) but via a semi-slav move order, it can arise after White plays the slightly unusual 8.Bb3 (first diagram; 8.Bd3 should be most common) and Black just goes straight for the c5 break, with White allowing the isolated queen's pawn.

After 8.Bb3

After 12...Nb6

What's your assessment of the opening?
Follow up question: after

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what's the best continuation?

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12-09-2012 , 10:22 AM

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RoundTower

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Spoiler:

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12-09-2012 , 03:46 PM

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ganstaman

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Spoiler:

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12-09-2012 , 11:28 PM

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Sholar

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Originally Posted by RoundTower

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Good catch--but yeah, that's the idea; Black can't prevent it.

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Originally Posted by ganstaman

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12-10-2012 , 05:53 PM

#2794

LeonardoDicaprio

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question: how is a stalemate determined?

just had a game where just promoted to have 2queen and king vs king... had mate in 1 and game ends in stalemate

guess i took too long????

Last edited by LeonardoDicaprio; 12-10-2012 at 06:00 PM.

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12-10-2012 , 07:05 PM

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Gorgonian

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Stalemate is when the player who has the move has no legal moves and is not in check.

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12-10-2012 , 07:40 PM

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LeonardoDicaprio

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

Stalemate is when the player who has the move has no legal moves and is not in check.

ok thx.

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12-11-2012 , 03:16 AM

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Cadaz

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Ethical question:

I'm most likely going to be in a K+B+N vs K position in a chess.com game (if all goes how I think it will...although it could easily end up as N+P vs K I guess..)

Right now I know that a "w manouver" exists but I've never bothered to learn it because the ending is so unlikely.

If I learn it/study it purely because I know it's quite likely to come up in that game in a few moves time, is it "unethical"?

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12-11-2012 , 03:52 AM

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Vempele

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If it's unethical to improve while playing correspondence chess, I suggest you stop playing immediately.

They allow anything but help from computers and other people, right? Not using all the resources you're allowed to is not especially ethical, it's just not taking the game seriously (which is still fine, of course).

Last edited by Vempele; 12-11-2012 at 04:09 AM.

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12-11-2012 , 05:44 AM

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wlrs

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Sholar: Do you have something good against 8.Bb3 b4? IIRC that was the recommended antidote to 8.Bb3 the last time I looked at the Semi-Slav

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12-11-2012 , 06:11 AM

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Noir_Desir

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Originally Posted by Cadaz

if you look it up in a book or on some website you're fine. Even when it's already appeared on the board. Just don't ask a computer-generated tablebase for the moves.

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