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03-27-2012 , 02:38 PM
Personally, it looks like black has the edge on the queenside. Instead of ...b3, why not try to take control of the center and build pieces up over there? Be7, Rf8, Nh7 all to prepare for an f5 advance? And afterwards, lock up the queenside and get the a5 knight to d4. b3 seems like it overadvances black's queenside and will eventually allow white some counterplay there.
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05-20-2012 , 04:35 PM
Going to do an epic bump and put up a couple from my tournament this weekend.

Position No. 1


Black to make his 24th move.

Evaluate the position

Hint:
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Calculation practice!



Position No. 2


White to make his 18th move, black just played 17. ... d5

Hint:
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How do you address the center pawns? Push, take or ignore?
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05-20-2012 , 07:10 PM
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1) I can't find any ideas for white after either Kh8 or Nd5 (Nxd5 Qf3+ Rg2 Rg4 wins the Q). Black looks crushing.

2) Maybe I'm missing something, but he's threatening to fork you and Qe2 d4 Rd1 Qc7 or something doesn't solve that, minor piece moves solve nothing because e4 is loose, and taking just looks like an abomination, fixing his pawns and giving him every square. It has to be e5 by elimination although I still like black.
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05-20-2012 , 07:22 PM
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Without looking at your spoilers...

In the first position I would probably play Kh8 pretty quickly. It looks like White's attack hits a dead end and Black is just better, though maybe I'm missing something.

In the second position, e5 looks like the only move, otherwise White's position is just worse. Then for example, Ne4 Nxe4 dxe4 Qxd8 Rxd8 Nd2 f5 exf6 Bxf6 and Black's two bishops give him good compensation for the bad pawn structure.

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05-20-2012 , 08:28 PM
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Lemme add another question - in the second position, after white's e5, what would yall play as black? d4 might work, but I am mainly talking about which square would you choose for the knight?
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05-20-2012 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
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Lemme add another question - in the second position, after white's e5, what would yall play as black? d4 might work, but I am mainly talking about which square would you choose for the knight?
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In my response I suggested Ne4, giving up a pawn and getting compensation with the Bishop pair. But maybe Ne8/Nh5 with g6 and Ng7 is better.
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05-20-2012 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by John_Douglas
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In my response I suggested Ne4, giving up a pawn and getting compensation with the Bishop pair. But maybe Ne8/Nh5 with g6 and Ng7 is better.
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The reason I asked this question was because I was thinking about it myself and at first Nh5 seemed like a clear choice, creating a bunch of threats and staying aggressive. However, after more thinking I think Nd7 might just be the best (Ne4 proly playable but I don't think it's enough, since even though you have 2 bishops, the queens are traded and you have two more horrible pawns). It allows black to safely keep the small edge and does not give white much counter-play IMO.

The main reason why I think Nd7 might be the best is because after 1..Nh5 white suddenly has 2. Ne2, which not only defends against all threats, but also threatens g4 to trap the knight. So now black is pretty much forced to play 2..g6, but then white has 3. f5! and now I am suddenly not a fan of black's position at all. Black has to take 3.. gxf5 I think, but IMO white has huge compensation for that pawn, and suddenly the light square bishop for black is looking more like a pawn.

I thought this sudden counter-play line was pretty instructive in itself.
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05-21-2012 , 12:22 AM
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I don't really like Nd7 - it seems too passive after Na4 and Black's queenside pieces are stuck. Your f5 sacrifice is interesting - White has compensation but I don't think it's clearly better for White, probably close to dynamic equality. But if Black wants to avoid this, I'd prefer Ne4 (or d4, which also looks playable).
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05-21-2012 , 10:11 PM
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I can't think of anything better than e5 followed by retreating the N to e2 hitting the d4 square and protecting the f-pawn. I guess maybe later try a K-side storm?
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05-26-2012 , 06:12 PM


This is from the Spassky-Petrosian World Championship match of 1969, game No. 11. This is a rather famous game that Petrosian won quite beautifully later on, but this position in particular bothered me.

White to move, I'd like to hear people's thoughts on what they would do in the position as white.

Then, discuss white's actual move:

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Rfd1. I'm really not sure what the rook was trying to do there.
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05-26-2012 , 06:44 PM
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black is threatening Nd2, so Rfd1 looks like the most logical move, to follow up by challenging the c-file. There doesn't seem to be any more suitable defense.
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05-26-2012 , 06:49 PM
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herp derp, I missed the Nd2 threat. Carry on
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05-26-2012 , 07:20 PM
at that time it was not yet known that exchange sacs are amazing and whoever sacs an exchange always wins or draws.

Wait.. I might have just given away my biggest secret publicly
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05-27-2012 , 10:08 AM
That is a true fact. FIDE should save some time and rule that exchange sacs join flag fall, checkmate and opponent's resignation as a winning condition.
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08-12-2012 , 11:01 PM
I'm going through some KID lines right now and have a question if anyone wouldn't mind helping. The line I'm looking at is in the Bayonet Attack. The position can be seen in the diagram and is reached after the following moves.



1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. b4 Nh5 10. Re1 Nf4 11. Bf1 a5 12. bxa5 Rxa5 13. a4 c5

In this position white's most popular move is 14.Ra3. Can someone help me with the idea behind that move? I've been looking at the position for a while and don't understand it's purpose. The only thing I can figure is that white might want to play 15.Bxf4, followed by 16.Nb5, but if white plays 14.Bxf4 right away, black can play 14...exf4 15.Ra3 Bxc3 16.Rxc3 Bd7 and black will win the a-pawn. That's probably not right though, I can't imagine black wants to part with his bishop like that.

Any help?
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08-12-2012 , 11:54 PM
Above my pay grade, but John Watson just finished off an amazing 14-part video series on the king's indian defense on ICC.

It looks to be like it is a move that is preparing for black's eventual f5 push. With the rook on a3 instead of a1

1) It is no longer on that all-important KID diagonal and being indirectly attacked by the bishop
2) It protects the c3 knight from discovered attacks on that diagonal
3) It provides more cover to some of the really important internal holes in white's position, especially e3
4) It could theoretically provide some defense along that third rank far down the road during a kingside pawn storm attack from black.

Basically, the idea is that white has a major long-term static advantage due to his pawn structure, so black is going to have to prove some dynamic activity to justify his position. Ra3 is aimed taking a ton of the sting out of two of black's most important dynamic advantages: the long dark diagonal and the internal weak squares in white's position.

Inb4 someone tells me how wrong i am
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08-13-2012 , 12:12 AM
What would be interesting would be for someone to look through a database for games that reached the position prior to Ra3, and then see what players used to play and what happened. Then, you can look at the games where white started using Ra3 and see how/if it solved any problems, and you will also get a sense for the ideas black used to counter that.
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08-13-2012 , 04:06 AM
a GM once showed me a bayonet line that went something like the following:

9. b4 a5 10. bxa5 Rxa5 11. a4 c5 12. Ra3 with the idea of Nb5, Nd2 to clear the 3rd rank and meet any f5 by black with exf5 gxf5 2.f4, after which the rook comes in very handy on the 3rd rank. Not sure if this has anything to do with the position in question.
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08-13-2012 , 09:26 AM
Appreciate the feedback from everyone, thank y'all for the help. Kyle, I need to watch that video series if it's as good as you say it is.

ganstaman, I tried doing that a bit last night before posting but I couldn't figure it out. Ra3 is the most popular move, but there are a couple of other moves played by 2500+ players frequently as well. I also tried running Ra3 and the alternatives through Houdini and seeing if it could poke holes in the other moves, but all evaluations were pretty close to each other. I wish I wasn't such a patzer haha.

Noir_Desir, that does make a lot of sense. The positions aren't identical, but they're pretty dang close and I bet that's the same idea. Some of the popular alternatives to Ra3 in my line were Nb5 and Nd2, so I bet it's part of the same plan. Thanks for the help.
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08-13-2012 , 12:12 PM
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Appreciate the feedback from everyone, thank y'all for the help. Kyle, I need to watch that video series if it's as good as you say it is.
That series in the top 3 or 4 chess instructions I've ever used, which includes books, videos and coaching. It may have been because he hit on some specific gaps in my chess knowledge that I was ready for, but it really blew my mind. The best job I've ever seen of explaining the interconnection between pawn structure, piece placement and piece activity.
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08-16-2012 , 12:26 AM
Watson has an incredible way of breaking down chess, he's definitely on the same level as Silman in that regard. His Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy, in spite of its kitschy title, is an amazingly good read.
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08-16-2012 , 09:35 PM
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Watson has an incredible way of breaking down chess, he's definitely on the same level as Silman in that regard. His Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy, in spite of its kitschy title, is an amazingly good read.
I have this book and have tried reading it but it's sooooo analysis heavy. Is it of any good instructional value?
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08-16-2012 , 09:58 PM
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Watson has an incredible way of breaking down chess, he's definitely on the same level as Silman in that regard. His Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy, in spite of its kitschy title, is an amazingly good read.
Agree. Great book!
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09-22-2013 , 04:44 PM


From an online 60 5 game today. White's best move and why?
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09-22-2013 , 04:58 PM
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From an online 60 5 game today. White's best move and why?
I'm betting it's not a king move
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