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09-21-2011 , 12:08 PM
Thanks for all your thoughts on that previous position!

In the game, I was white, and I was considering between b4 and g4. I looked at f5, but didn't give it nearly as much consideration as it deserved. I didn't see how strong it was until after the game was over and I was going back over it. Crafty considers b4 and f5 to be roughly equal, slightly preferring b4, but I think that just says that I need to stop using Crafty for anything but blunderchecking.

After b4 and the trade-down into the endgame, I ran out of ideas pretty fast and it turned into a draw.

Okay, new one! I'm really, really, really working on getting better at these classical, closed, center-fighting positions:



Black to move.

Can he safely play e4?
Does he want to play e4?
If he could play e4 and he wanted to, why would it be good for him?
If he could play e4 and he didn't want to, what other plan would be better for him?
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09-21-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82


Black to move.

Can he safely play e4?
Does he want to play e4?
If he could play e4 and he wanted to, why would it be good for him?
If he could play e4 and he didn't want to, what other plan would be better for him?
Spoiler:

1...e4 looks good. I guess best play is 2.dxe4 Bxe4 and eventually it comes out to equality - Eventually White can take on e4 with the rook because of Bh2+ winning the queen. 2...Nxe4 looks interesting too, but I'm not sure what happens after 3.Nhf5.

If Black wants to keep the fight going, maybe 1...Ne7 is intereting, though it invites 2.d4 by White. Maybe starting 1...Qd7 to meet Nf5 by 2...Ne7.
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09-24-2011 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82


Here's a position I think is very instructive, except I don't have the answer. White to move, and what I want to know here is threefold:

1) Who is better?
2) Who benefits if rooks are traded?
3) If it's black, is giving up the file still bad enough that white has to trade?
Not much seems to be going on there. Best move seems to be 1.Rxf8+ with a sligth advantage to black due to the central pawns and the doubled b-pawn.
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09-24-2011 , 10:54 AM


Black to play. Any thoughts on the position would be welcome.

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I'm pretty clueless here. I suspect Black should play on the kingside here -- actually the last couple of moves were to move the knight to d6 from f6 -- but it's hard to see what the best way to make progress would be. Potentially White's position is sound enough that Black should be less ambitious.

Even granted that kingside play makes sense--what's the best way to get this started? Where to put the Black king? (Assume that White will prevent queenside castling with Qc2 or Rc1.)
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09-24-2011 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sholar


Black to play. Any thoughts on the position would be welcome.
Spoiler:


I might expect a line like 1... 0-0 2. Qb3 Nf6 3.Rc1 Bd7 4.Qa3 Qb6 and it looks about equal.

If Black wants to really do something crazy then 1...0-0 2.(Qb3/Rc1/some other move) f5 to prepare g5 - maybe White can't really create any play on the c-file to distract Black. It looks like a coffee-house style of chess, but maybe it has some potential.
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09-27-2011 , 09:45 AM
I've been reading Zurich 1953 lately, and the following game is my favorite I've seen in a long time. It doesn't have any flashy tactics or combinations, but Smyslov's logical, strong endgame play is absolutely fantastic and extremely instructive. The way Bronstein breaks down the position is really illuminating and also has helped me form plans in other phases of the game. Watching Smyslov carry out his plans is a thing of beauty.

In the position below, after 20. b3, Bronstein makes the following comments.



There exists a widespread, and therefore dangerous, misconception that the win is automatic once you are a pawn ahead. As a matter of fact, Black's chief advantage in this position lies not so much in his plus pawn, which he is still far from exploiting, as in his control of most of the center squares: d4, d5, c5, f4 and f5.

White has his counterchances: a queenside pawn majority and the d-file. How many similar games have been drawn because of inexact play! Smyslov, however, manages such endings with an iron hand. His plan may be divided into the following phases:

1. The immediate exchange of one rook, leaving the other to restrain White's queenside pawns and attack the c- and e-pawns.

2. Deflecting White's rook to the h-file by the threat to create an outside passed pawn, and then occupying the d-file with his own rook.

3. Advancing the g-pawn to g4, undermining the e-pawn's support, which is the f3-pawn.

4. Tying up White's pieces by attacking the e-pawn.

5. Sending his king in to pick off the weak pawns.

As we shall see, a simple winning plan - for a Smyslov, naturally!


Here is the full game for anyone that is interested.

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game...r.php?id=50667
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10-02-2011 , 10:02 PM
^I didn't comment on this when it was posted, but that was a very cool position and annotation.


Okay, intermediate tactics time. White has played a classic bishop sacrifice and now must find the way to finish it off. White to play and win:



Spoiler:
Qb3!

1. Qh5+ Kg9 2. Qh7+ Kf8 3. Qh8+ Ng8 is good for white but unclear. He's got a strong attack, but no immediate forced win and black has a material advantage. Interesting is the position after 4. Qh5, because black will have trouble directly covering the threatened mate on f7. Re7 and Qe7 both lead to Nh7# (an interesting mating pattern, imo). Nh6 does the immediate trick, but white's attack goes on. So does g6.

The crushing move on the board in the original position is 1. Qb3!

The white queen vacates f7, setting up a possible knight fork with Nf7+. Black is helpless to stop it because white's queen stays on the diagonal to keep the king frozen in place, and the queen is smothered by her own pieces. Rf8 covers f7, but gets mated by Qh3+ Kg8 Qh7+.


Last edited by KyleJRM82; 10-02-2011 at 10:08 PM. Reason: Fixed notation error
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10-02-2011 , 10:51 PM
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Nice position, thanks.

I saw the first line for White (1. Qh5+ Kg8 2. Qh7+ Kf8 3. Qh8+ Ng8) and then got stuck on looking for improvements.

Two ideas:

A lazy and materialistic player, such as myself, might play 1.a3 (idea: clear e1 for Re1). Black's best is probably to give up the bishop on b4 and play 1...d5 to try and develop something, but that looks pretty hopeless. (If 1...Be6 or something instead, 2.Re1 and White will find checkmate sooner rather than later.) This is easy to play because White'll definitely get the piece back and still have the attack. It's lazy because White should be trying to find mate!

So 3.f4 is also an improvement -- idea is simply 4.Qh5 intending f5-6 -- the attack here seems irresistible compared with the 3.Qh8+ Ng8 4.Qh5 Nh6 when Black is putting up reasonable resistance. I think Black has to give up at least a piece after 3.f4 d5 [what else?] 4.Qh5 Kg8 5.f5.

But Qb3 is simpler. I missed the idea of playing for the Nf7 fork.
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10-03-2011 , 09:22 AM
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1. Qb3! is a really dirty/beautiful move, I love it. To be honest, I didn't even consider it at all, not even a tiny bit. I saw the variations with ...Re7/Qe7 followed by Nh7# and ...Nh6, but kept banging my head against a wall trying to force a win in those positions. Beautiful, simple solution that also illustrates the point of making sure you don't get tunnel vision and force yourself to calculate other lines.
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10-05-2011 , 09:20 PM
I just saw this problem for the first time tonight and it's one of the coolest study problems I've ever seen. White to play and win or draw...that's all you get



Spoiler:

Solution: 1. Ne6!! Kc4 2. Ne5+ dxe5 3. Bb3+ Kb5 4. Ba4+ Kxa4 5. Nc5+ and white wins. The solution is mirrored if black plays 1...Ke4.

1. Ne6!! is one of the coolest moves I've ever seen, even in a composed problem. However, my favorite part about the problem is that the queen can't ever move, even though upon first glance it looks like she has so many squares. I just love the way the problem is symmetrical and the win is mirrored on both sides of the board, depending on if black chooses either ...Kc4 or ...Ke4. Sort of like a geometrical chess problem or something. Not horribly difficult, just very neat I think.
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10-06-2011 , 02:01 AM


White appears to have just made a tactical error that allows a devastating queen fork. Now, either the rook or bishop will fall. Time to resign? Or is there a way to hold the position? Protip: I took the time to post it in this thread.

Spoiler:
1. Kf2 (or Ke2) Qxa1 2. Qb3! and the black queen has nowhere to go. After a move like 2. ... Nd7, white can play 3. Rd1/Re1/Rf1/Rg1, followed by Bb2 and black has to trade the queen for the second rook. Houdini thinks white is actually about +0.5 in the initial position.

Beat: I only found the escape with engine analysis... after resigning the posted position
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10-06-2011 , 09:10 AM
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BJJ, I don't have an engine in front of me, but the line I found when I looked at the position was 1. Ke2 Qxa1 2. Qc2 Nd7 (white was threatening 3. Qc8+ Ke7 4. Bg5+ followed by picking up the queen) 3. Rd1/e1/g1 and white follows with 4. Be3 with a similar idea of trading for the second rook. What does Houdini think of that line? Is there something I'm overlooking? I guess the question becomes, is there a reason b3 is better than c2 for the queen. I thought Qc2 was gained a tempo with the threat, but if the engine likes Qb3 it must be best.
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10-06-2011 , 10:40 AM
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I'm at work now and can't confirm, but my memory is that Qb3 was an "only move", grading at +0.5ish, while everything else was like -4 or worse. I think the difference is that after Qc2, black can escape with Qd4 (and if Be3 then Qxb4). After Qb3, though, Qd4 loses the queen to Be3.
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10-06-2011 , 10:45 AM
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Ah yes, that's exactly it. I overlooked the undefended b4 pawn. Thank you for clearing that up.
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10-11-2011 , 11:59 AM
Starting with a thinly veiled brag where I found a nice move to quickly finish an already-won game. White to move:



Spoiler:
f5! The geometry of the knights around the partially trapped king becomes visually beautiful,


Okay, now a real instructive position:



Black to move.

Spoiler:
The Marshall Counterattack is such a fascinating setup. It forces you to learn to play the initiative and attack in more subtle ways than I'm used to. You are sort of threatening to blow up white's kingside and mate, but white can usually stave that off, and you have to just keep the pressure on white's position for a long, long middlegame.

Anyway, the best line for black is...

1. ... Bxf3 2. Nxf3 (technically not forced, but gxf3 Re1+ is everything white wants to avoid)
2. ... Nxd4!
3. cxd4 Qxd4!

And now the positional flaws in white's position become intractable. Nxd4 loses to Re1#. Black is also threatening mate on the back rank with Qd1+, and he's also threatening the unprotected rook on a1. Attacking twice (and it's twin brother, twice attacking) are the soul of all chess tactics.

The best white can do is

4. Bb2 Qxb2

Throwing away the bishop instead of a rook. Black will emerge up a comfortable pawn+.

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10-11-2011 , 12:14 PM
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Very instructive indeed, great post.

You might want do change all of the d2's to d4, I was pretty confused for a bit
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10-11-2011 , 12:23 PM
Fixed
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12-06-2011 , 05:58 PM
I got to test the alertness of a famous endgame composer over the board today. Black to play.


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12-06-2011 , 07:48 PM
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Kd6?

My first instinct is that white is the one trying to hold a draw and black is playing for a win
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12-06-2011 , 08:39 PM
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typing out only the first move and not giving any lines in such endgame studies is boarderline insulting brah, where are your manners!
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12-06-2011 , 10:14 PM
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I changed it to "black to play"
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12-06-2011 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
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typing out only the first move and not giving any lines in such endgame studies is boarderline insulting brah, where are your manners!
Spoiler:
Kd6 and the kings dance around each other without touching like me and my prom date, no one able to make any real advances?
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12-07-2011 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by KyleJRM82
Spoiler:
Kd6 and the kings dance around each other without touching like me and my prom date, no one able to make any real advances?
Spoiler:
I almost hesitate to reply given YKW's chastisement, but that looks about right to me. I don't see how White can even lose a move; anything extravagant (like moving the King to the a-file), and Black can play c3.
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12-07-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Kd6 Ka5 Ke5 and draw it seems
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12-07-2011 , 10:00 AM
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agree with what's said above, it initially looks like Black is playing for a win but the b-pawn being the distant one messes up that idea. So Kd6 and keep the opposition for the draw
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