well played TTI

You didn't contribute anything to this thread and in fact have made it much worse by introducing personal insults and negativity. Your original post also announced that you haven't "read or listened to anything." And as I said, your reasons were paper-thin and I can call a 0.0 dead drawn in a hyperbolic post. It's called colloquial language.

OH, and lastly, why don't you list the threads you've started to "contribute" to this forum and I'll list mine and people can compare to see who has made more of an effort?

On the contrary, it's announcing Magnus breaking the rating record and providing a specific thread to discuss it.

If you think everyone is supposed to act the same, you also don't understand what the purpose of a forum is in the first place.

Anyway, following the results of the Gawain Jones game, unless Gawain pulls out a miracle in short time, Magnus is looking to now officially break all the argued live ratings records also.

2857! This is truly exciting.

check mate!

Threads started by EGarrett in this forum in 2012, organized by date of last post:

Bow down to the KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EGarrett Today 02:13pm

ChessBomb has live games, Houdini analysis and a chat room.
EGarrett 12-02-2012 10:43 AM

When are a chess player's peak years?
EGarrett 11-29-2012 11:53 AM

Wikipedia and ChessGames have two different final positions WCC 1984 g16?
EGarrett 10-30-2012 09:50 AM

What do you guys think of Chesscube?
EGarrett 10-29-2012 09:13 AM

Fischer claimed he never opened with d4??
EGarrett 10-27-2012 09:31 PM

"Pawn Sacrifice" moves forward, starring Tobey Maguire as Bobby Fischer
EGarrett 10-17-2012 04:40 PM

Chess Masters Final, 9/24-9/29
EGarrett 10-17-2012 07:22 AM

"The most renowned figures in chess were born in America."
EGarrett 10-02-2012 08:28 PM

Houdini and the Tablebase MASSIVELY disagree
EGarrett 09-17-2012 12:07 AM

Chessgames.com, do you guys use it?
EGarrett 08-25-2012 12:31 AM

Magnus Carlsen vs. Deep Blue
EGarrett 08-23-2012 04:03 PM

How long from Beginner to 2000 strength at Chess960?
EGarrett 08-08-2012 01:36 AM

Magnus hits 2846!
EGarrett 08-04-2012 10:29 AM

Why hasn't Anand's rating inflated?
EGarrett 08-03-2012 07:18 PM

TrueChess Computer Analysis: Fischer is strongest ever. Botvinnik > Kasparov
EGarrett 07-02-2012 07:13 AM

Kasparov: Sofia Rules are "natural" for future WCC matches. Proposes fixed 960 tournaments
EGarrett 06-23-2012 06:45 PM

Ultimately, is chess academic or competitive? What, in your mind, is the perfect chess game?
EGarrett 06-22-2012 12:15 AM

ChessNetwork, Kingscrusher, and other youtube commentators
EGarrett 06-19-2012 06:56 AM

Magnus on the Colbert Report (video)
EGarrett 06-11-2012 01:06 AM

Do Chess players ever do multi-tabling matches?
EGarrett 06-10-2012 04:08 PM

Aronian vs. Kramnik, April 2012 Match
EGarrett 04-25-2012 05:01 PM

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By Noir Desir in 2012:

2nd 2+2 correspondence chess championship (2012/13 edition)
Noir_Desir 11-30-2012 11:29 PM

not because u started more insignificant thread that it means u contributed more....

i have an awefully lot of respect on noir because when he speak its pretty good usually.

i suggest u dont even start that $h!t , garret...

noir speaks like a 40 years old and u sound like a 19-20....seriously.

ty for telling us about carlsen record and lets just close this thread because it will get out of hands for no important reason, i wont say even why ......

Threads started by EGarrett: 22, on all manner of topics, including theory, chess media, interesting quotes, the greatest players ever, and coverage for tournaments and matches.

Threads startd by Noir Desir: .....1.

Content of Montrealcorp: Sub-3rd-grade grammar and spelling, failure to even read the post above his. Hypocritical claims about immaturity, inability to understand casual tone. And cursing at people. Good job. You've been reported.

He's grown since then.

Regardless of who's "contributed" more, there is no question about who is right here. The stupid 3100 engine saying a position is 0.00 does not mean its "dead drawn", and the makers of the engine don't claim that either. 0.00 just means "no advantage" Those are 2 very different things, if all 0.00 are dead draw then the starting position is dead drawn.

Unless the material vs material is in some endgame book that says its "drawn", then its not "dead drawn"

Hell, even if the engine DID say it was drawn and used a table-base to prove it, if the route to that draw is still so complicated that no human can remember all the lines, then it STILL ISN'T DEAD DRAWN. If engines ever prove chess is a draw are we then gonna go nuts everytime a chess players wins any game at all?


I also don't think Noir was trying to take anything away from Carlsen's win, he was just noting the position wasn't "dead drawn" Winning any chess unclear endgame vs a Super GrandMaster is always impressive because obviously the odds of such a position being a draw anyway are quite high.

Firmly on Noir's side in this.

In any case, go go go Carlsen! 2900 ain't that far

My post is half-serious and exaggerated on purpose, I've said that several times. If someone had just said "yup fun to see the record broke, though that position probably wasn't dead drawn" with an understanding of the tone of the situation and conducted themselves properly, there'd be no issue at this point.

View: The record is the equivalent of WSOP bracelets; the general public thinks Phil Hellmuth is the best ever but the pros beg to differ.

In this case, Carlsen's hype is well-deserved. He's the best player in the world right now.

i agree, i just want in on the hyperbole.

QUIT ARGUING, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT I HATE YOU!!!!!! SHUT UP!!!!!!

I want in too

Carlsen is far and away the best. He just wins and wins and isn't one of the perpetual drawers like some people in the chess world (cough Anand cough).

And that is where you gain the most experience, playing down until the game really is a draw. When players do this, they gain experience and start to see that a little pressure and fight can put their peers in a lot of trouble. This is what Magnus has done, and a lot of what the young crop of players are doing. If he does get challenge, it wont be an Aronian or Kramnik. It's going to come from the young generation, and more than likely from Giri, Nakamura, or Caruana.

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1. e4 ...
2. Ke2 ...
3. Kf3 ...

I think the interesting thing is that Carlsen seems to end up with just as many 'hand-shake-able' positions as somebody like Anand, yet his perseverance, creativity and technical play turn those positions into more than enough to create a win. I just hope his motivation doesn't fade. If he lost it, he'd just be another draw machine. Speaking of losing motivation, yesterday marks now 17 games without a single victory for Anand. He seems to just care less and less about the games. It has to put tournament organizers in a strange spot as there is undoubtedly an implicit obligation to continue inviting the world champion yet...

this is the second worst thread ever behind the rebuy thread in nvg. egarrett posts like a chimp and nd gets way too german upset and makes silly srs business arguments. pls thread die and never come back (and give me infractions meanwhile if necessary)

Arrrr!! Going pirate matey?

i did read it all the way now and drew random conclusions. agree that anand seems to not care at all. must suck to have to grind it out without any motivation

Anand should care. He is, unfortunately, the face of chess, being the world champion. THe fact is though that he is older than my mother, and no doubt knows that he is mentally on the decline. It wouldn't surprise me if he purposely makes these no effort draws to save himself mentally for later rounds, when the points really start to count.

NVM, he just beat Gawain Jones....who is roughly 150 rating points lower than him.

lol

Hahaha I love it. I glance at the games before going to bed last night. I see Adams-Carlsen looks like it's headed towards a draw. Adams is up a pawn but Carlsen has dynamic compensation and after some exchanges the game will likely start to fizzle out. I laughably consider the possibility of oh wait yip - I wake up and of course:

Adams-Carlsen 0-1

It's almost getting silly how far ahead Carlsen seems to stand above the rest of the world. I used to think the hype around Carlsen was somewhat hyperbolic but it really does seem like if he sticks around he is going to completely change the game of chess itself.

It will be very exciting to see how he does in a match against Anand. And I imagine that if anything that's something that could Anand enthused for chess once again. Gelfand was a terrible opponent because Anand had nothing to gain. If he wins - okay everything went as expected. If he loses it's the upset of the century. Even the prize fund was very evenly distributed between winner and loser. In a match against Carlsen he would be the underdog, and winning might finally help him step out of the shadows by finally defeating a titan in match play. Though Anand has obviously cemented his place in history he'll always be seen as a shadow of Kasparov and if things go as most people expect he'll just end up being the temporary usurper once Kasparov departed, doing little more than keeping Carlsen's seat warm for him.