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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Umm, I totally agree with Pyromantha that if you post "white to move and win," you should be able to show how the game is clearly won. If someone responds with a line that you can't find a win in, that's not trolling, that's exposing a flaw in your problem.
nope he's definitely trolling.
This reminds me of being in a chess class for 12 year olds rated 1300-1500, having some teacher show a position that's white to move and win, and I'm sitting and watching for whatever reason. Suddenly I see some defense 5 moves later, that's completely insane, has absolutely nothing to do with the theme of the position and maybe the opponent can get some very very worse position instead of being forced to resign right away. Am I going to interrupt the class to say "hey all you 1300's let's analyze this ridiculously long and pointless variation to prove that I'm smart and that this problem is flawed". No. Also the poster is using a computer engine to solve a problem and to actually post his computer generated analysis in the forum, without mentioning that he's doing so first is really annoying. He later claims "I never said I wasn't using a computer engine". Well it's pretty absurd to use an engine nonstop and not even mention it for 4 posts.
Dire is not posting this position so that some random guys who are using engines can argue about whether white can win some better position in 8 moves. If the guy wants to respectfully say "thanks for the problem, but it's funny that when I use my computer engine and look a bit deeper into some of these lines it actually seems that black can try to fight in some positions", then sure that's reasonable behavior.
But instead he's like "this seems like a draw, this is blah blah", as though he sees everything himself and it's obvious. Then he talks about how his endgame technique may be bad and he doesn't see how to win it how he needs some hints for the beginners (HEY GENIUS IF YOU ARE USING RYBKA, YOU DON'T NEED ANY HINTS!), when he's using a freaking computer engine. Honestly there should be a rule on this forum that anyone who uses a computer engine to solve a problem, should be required to state as such before giving any analysis. (also according to my engine after ...Rf8 in some line he gave Rf5 is easily winning, but v hard to follow what position they were talking about anyway....and it has black's best defense as ..Qc4 which does seem to lead to a ridiculous complicated draw.) It's just all extremely rude behavior to the person who posted the problem.
Of course I also have to criticize Dire because I believe that Qh5 is the best objective move in the position after gxh4, despite the fact that he claims that it isn't. Of course he didn't turn on his computer engine for 15 minutes to make sure and without doing so I'm sure I'd possibly conclude Re1 is the best.
Seriously people need to chill out with computer analysis because you don't learn anything from that kind of thing, and you'll simply reduce these problem threads to a complete waste of time.
Forgive my insane confrontational persona on this forum, it's just that so many people seem to have no sense of proper behavior when talking about chess. Acting like you are coming up with ideas in a thread like this when it's your computer is unbelievably rude and obnoxious. Whether it's people acting like they are better than they are, using computer analysis and trying to play it off like their own work, not having any empathy for the fact that 90% of the readers are not active tournament chess players and so just because a problem is easy to them they don't need to announce how obvious it is, or simply spouting complete crazy nonsense in an authoritative tone about how humans will be beating computers soon, it just drives me crazy.
Last edited by curtains; 03-23-2009 at 03:12 AM.