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It's not as easy as you believe it to be. Of course the automatic stuff is there for everybody, but the handling of stuff like the premove is not as easy. GM Roland Schmaltz (Hawkeye) dedicated a full chapter about special techniques in his book about online chess.

There are so many (sometimes dirty) tricks, like

• Don't promote a pawn but keep it at the 7th rank to prevent your opponent from premoving.
• In OCB endings, move your king in a way that forces your opponent to make long bishop moves (he'll lose time if he doesn't manage to premove)
• If you have given a couple of checks, don't give check the next time but cover the square where the opponent would most likely move his king to in case you'd actually give check (very, very effective, spoils the premove)
• The unexpected rook/queen sac to give a check that spoils the premove and will result in a win on time...
• In bullet, ten seconds on the clock are worth a pawn...

Getting good at stuff like this is worth at least 100 rating points in bullet, maybe even 200.

It's a grey area. But if you premove OTB (which is more like simultaneously) you have to wait for your opponent to hit the clock before you're allowed to hit it yourself. You'll also be subject to the "berührt-geführt" rule...

See my answer to the second quote (-:

Great post. Maybe I'm underestimating how difficult it can be to learn these tricks since I've grown up with all sorts of video games and most of these things seem very intuitive. And I'm sure at bullet mastering this is worth a huge amount. However, the thread and posts were about blitz. I can't imagine in 5-minute games it's worth more than 20ish points.

Well, blitz games between 2 players or similar strength often end with both of them having under 20 seconds to finish the game in semi-balanced positions, so I think that mastering those techniques would definitely boost your rating more than that.

Disagree with this. I'm one of the slowest blitz players for my rating but very few, as in close to none, of my games end up in time struggles in balanced positions.

Dire,

If you're one of the slowest players for your rating, it makes perfect sense that barely any of your games end in mutual time scrambles; you're probably almost always way behind on time late in the game. In any case the results of someone at an extreme (fastest or lowest for a rating group) will not be terribly useful for extrapolating.

If you're now only applying it to guys who are not only roughly the same skill and but also the same speed, you're continuing to marginalize the impact of 'mouse skills'.

I think your underestimating both the time factor and the premove thing here.
A top notch internet blitz player like for example Hikaru Nakamura got about one million cheapos that works pretty well on ICC but got almost zero chance on a real table.

No its not. You will lose the game immediately.
Youre not allowed to make a move before the opponent has finnished his.

The "time factor" is identical in OTB? I mean if they're both 5-minute games. 1 million cheapos is pretty lol too. There are strategies for pre-moving and countering pre-moves, long or awkward moves and ....???? I guess live you get to see your opponent reaching so you can plan your move a little quicker live.

Not correct. There was another thread on this, or at least a hijack on it. I also assumed it was illegal, and it's one thing that really put me off otb blitz. It's so seriously angle-shooty, but legal.

This is exactly why one of his nicknames is Flagamura.

So if mouse skills and premoving are underestimated, I would like to hear an alternative explanation for the following:

When I used to play on playchess.com regularly, my bullet rating would be around 2300 on average and my blitz rating around 2350 to 2400 (real life is between 2250 and 2300).

Now, there were players I know, who had 1900 to 2000 in real life and whom I would also beat in OTB blitz tourneys rather easily. Yet they were at 2500 in bullet consistently... why's that, then, if not for the little tricks that are available online? Where should the edge come from otherwise?

I'm pretty sure he was agreeing with you, Viika. I would suggest that bullet rating is highly, highly dependent on those little tricks. Blitz, especially 5 0, is not. You probably don't know, but I'd bet a fair bit that those same players weren't nearly as highly ranked in 5-minute games.

Also some players are just really good with a mouse, while not as great with moving pieces and hitting a clock in OTB 1/0 or 2/0.

And why you think he got multiple accounts for???
I bet one account for high rating (Playing certain opponents...)
One account where he plays a wider spectrum of players.
Maybe one more for opening experiments.

There are two other alternate explanations behind this.
Game selection and botting, but highly likely these players was probably better than you in 1-minute games while youre a lot better than them in 5-minute blitz.

The most logical explanation is they were simply better than you at bullet.

Just because you're better than somebody at one time control doesn't mean you're necessarily better than them at another one. I crush plenty of IMs in blitz on the board - not on time. It doesn't mean I'd expect the same results in a 6 hour game against them.

Seems like you don't know what you are talking about since on his account Smallville, he has played virtually every opening.

He also plays pretty much anyone on the same account.

Oh and he has a high rating on that account too.

Wow, who knew.

Of course they are "better" at bullet than me (-: But what I contend is that this was mostly due to very good mouse skills.

It is one thing to talk about the quality of moves produced under a certain time control and a completely different thing to talk about the overall results, which include playing on in lost or drawn positions and trying to win on time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitter about this. All I'm trying to say is that mouse skills are a huge constituent of bullet performance.

And it's also a skill to find ways to complicate in lost positions to create chances of winning on time. Nakamura is an absolute expert at this. I've witnessed a couple of Starwars' games at playchess and winning on time was mostly his style of winning.

I've also witnessed how he won critical after critical position in Mainz until Mamedyarov dodged him (-: At Mainz, I also saw him a couple of times trying to win on time in R+K vs. R+K endings (no pawns) ...

I guess the only solution is to challenge them to otb bullet and report on the results!

Yeah, bring 'em on (-:

cluster rybka.

n1 , just ask Nakamura

Best blitz player ever is tough to answer. Probably Fischer -> http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess...on?cid=1006241

Don't make the mistake to ask how Kasparov would have done there, because Kasparov is "clearvoyant" since he knows all of Fischers games. In other words, Kasparov wouldn't be the player he is/was without studying Fischer.

Btw, when it comes to blitz, Genrikh Chepukaitis should be noted.

So it's Capablanca after all.
Don't make the mistake to ask how Fischer would have done there, because Fischer is "clearvoyant" since he knew all of Capablanca's games. In other words, Fischer wouldn't have been the player he was without studying Capablanca.