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No 267 of Robertie's 501 problems No 267 of Robertie's 501 problems

04-03-2009 , 01:23 PM
donno how to get those pics (and no idea if I'm allowed to post it), so I'll describe the situation. Black has 2 men on 23-point directly in front of white's 5-prime, 12 men close his entire inner board, and the last one on his 8-point. White has 2pieces on the bar. Black holds the cube.

The problems asks if Black should double and if white should take, and the answer is double and pass.

I wonder if this should be played for gammon cos black has 11/36 to jump out on the roll, and 11/36 * 15/36 on next roll and still maintaining his board. So that's 43.3%, among those 43.3%, I guess 85% will lead to a gammon and 10% will be a single win and 5% lose. This will generate 1.61 EV while double and pass has EV=2. To make it 2, black will need to win about 41% if he cannot jump out before his board breaks.

So is it true that black has too little equity when his board breaks to make play for double a bad idea?

Now if this is true, white can take knowing that if black fails to do those 43.3, he can immediately redouble.
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04-04-2009 , 04:23 AM


Ok, your assumptions about the winning chances when jumping the prime seem reasonable, so let's go with them.

43.3% of the time we jump the prime, and, given your assumptions, we'll then have an EV of 0.85 * 4 + 0.10 * 2 - 0.05 * 2 = 3.5

We would be indifferent to doubling if our EV x when playing on and not jumping the prime brings the overall EV to 2.

0.433 * 3.5 + 0.567 * x = 2
=> x = 0.855

So our equity must be 0.855 in case we don't jump the prime to make us indifferent. If it is better, we play on for a gammon. If it is less, we double to take the 2 points down.

A GNU rollout says that if we play on, we'll win 61% with 48% being gammon wins. We have already covered 43.3% x 85% = 36.8% of the gammon wins with jumping the prime. This leaves 11.2% gammons if we don't jump. We also have covered 43.3% x 10% = 4.33% of the normal wins if we jump.

Of our losses, we have already accounted for 43.3% x 5% = 2.2% when we jump the prime. This leaves us 36.8% losses if we don't jump. GNU says we'll lose a gammon 8.6% of the time and I assume strongly that all of them happen if we don't jump.

So if we don't jump, we win 61% - 36.8% - 4.33% = 19.87% with 11.2% being gammons. We lose 28.2% normal games and 8.6% gammons.

Our EV here is 0.0767 * 2 + 0.112 * 4 - 2 * 0.282 - 4 * 0.086 = -0.307

So overall we have: 0.433 * 3.5 + 0.567 * (-0.307) = 1.34

This result is roughly equal to what GNU says (note that the GNU result is normalized to 1 point, and that the above analysis doesn't take backgammon wins into account)

Code:
1. Double, Pass => +1.00
2. Double, Take => +1.035 (+0.035)
3. Double, Pass => +0.745 (-0.255)

Correct cube action: Redouble, Pass
And a caveat - I suck at pen and paper maths... so there might well be errors in my analysis...
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04-04-2009 , 12:14 PM
Good job. Your analysis looks fine.

It's worth noting that this position is one of a class of positions that the bots evaluate very poorly. A Snowie level 3 evaluation rates this as no double, take with an after-doubling equity of -0.6 (that's equity for the taker, on a cube going from 1 to 2). Its rollout, however, then judges it as double, pass with an after-doubling equity of -1.06. That margin of error (0.40) is huge for a bot and just illustrates how difficult and razor-edged these positions really are.
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