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02-19-2019 , 09:52 PM
I'm curious to hear some explanations on this one. White is leading the 5-point match 1-0, pip count tied at 126. Does white double? Should black take?

White - Pips 126 (=), Match -4 -5

Black - Pips 126 (=), Match -5 -4
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02-20-2019 , 01:39 PM
White has an very large and obvious positional edge here and should double.

Even though Black is down in the match, he should be conservative at the score. This 4-away score for White is worth noting. A gammon puts him exactly at what he needs to win the match, so White's many gammons are especially valuable. And by passing Black saddles White with an awkward 3-away score.

So even if this is a take for money (unclear, yes?), he should pass at the score.
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02-20-2019 , 01:52 PM
I remember something Kit Woolsey wrote about years ago regarding 4-away scores. A one point difference in a match matters more when the match is short. You'd rather be ahead 2-away 3-away than 11-away 12-away.

And when the modern bots came out with their match equity tables determined by rollouts, this heuristic held of course. Except in one case it's flipped. You'd rather be ahead 4-away 5-away than 3-away 4-away!

4-away is particularly nice. Obviously if it's a choice between being 3-away and 4-away, you'd always choose 3-away, but the gain from getting to 4-away is bigger than you'd think and the gain from going from 4-away to 3-away is smaller than you'd think.

Edit: ooh found the article -- http://www.bkgm.com/articles/GOL/Jan01/sneq.htm

Last edited by _Z_; 02-20-2019 at 02:04 PM.
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02-23-2019 , 12:46 AM
Interesting; appreciate the explanation. It seems my biggest cube blunders lately are due to not understanding match equity. In this case, the 25% gammons (that I didn't see) I'm assuming is reason enough to drop, notwithstanding the positional advantage white enjoys. Thanks for the link to the Woolsey article - exactly the kind of stuff I need to study.

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02-23-2019 , 01:48 AM
A great article also from Woolsey on match equity:

http://www.bkgm.com/articles/GOL/Aug99/fivept.htm
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03-05-2019 , 05:24 PM
Here's another position where this 4-away concept is relevant. Pretty solid money pass, but leading 2-0 in a match to 5, Black should take so he doesn't let White get to 4-away.

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03-08-2019 , 07:19 AM
Even in cash games, when your opponent has a high gammon equity you have to take that into account. In a cash game, the take point is usually around 21.5% due to cube vig.

To figure out your equity with a high gammon vig that your opponent has, you have to multiply the net gammon % by 50% and add that your your equity required for a take.

Here he has 18% gammon vig, (his gammon % - your gammon %) so you have to add 9% (18% * 50%) to your take point. So in a cash game, you have to win a little over 30% of the time to have a take. So even in a cash game this is a pass.

To find your take point in a match use the match equity tables. Kit Woolsey's is not the most accurate. The Rockwell/Kazaross MET are the tables that most of the pros use currently.

Your take point at this score is 24%. But now his gammon vig is even higher than a cash game, because by activating the cube, his gammons win the match and he gets full value for his gammons. So without doing the math, I know you need more than an additional 9% here and maybe as much as 12% additional games won to make up for his gammon equity. So you probably need somehwere around 36% wins before this is a take ATS.

Last edited by jjpregler; 03-08-2019 at 07:41 AM.
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03-08-2019 , 07:47 AM
Here are the Rockwell/Kazaross tables:

http://www.bkgm.com/articles/Kazaros...MET/index.html

And a good shortcut to use to estimate your equity over the table:

http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi?view+171
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