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 12-28-2016, 08:46 AM #1 ClassicalGuitar23 grinder     Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Space Posts: 546 Interesting Cube Decision White - Pips 39. Match Score 6/11 Black - Pips 39. Match Score 5/11 Black on roll. Cube action? Created with www.BGdiagram.com
 12-28-2016, 11:38 AM #3 ClassicalGuitar23 grinder     Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Space Posts: 546 Re: Interesting Cube Decision I agree, I was quite sure no redouble for money. The match score is what made the situation interesting. I also did a rollout and found very slight redouble. Thanks for carefully presenting Keith count.
 01-01-2017, 02:46 PM #5 I.E. stranger   Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 12 Re: Interesting Cube Decision Don't use the obsolete 8-9-12 rule. Nack 58 is a much better modern alternative. The more difficult question is how to adjust the pip counts before you use a formula.
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 Originally Posted by I.E. Don't use the obsolete 8-9-12 rule. Nack 58 is a much better modern alternative. The more difficult question is how to adjust the pip counts before you use a formula.
Could you explain what the Nack 58 count is? I've never heard of it.

 01-01-2017, 08:33 PM #7 I.E. stranger   Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 12 Re: Interesting Cube Decision Sure, Bill. Once you have adjusted pip counts (using your favorite adjustments), the formula gives proper cube action. If the leader's pip count is 57 or less, than use Trice's "Rule 62" from Backgammon Bootcamp: subtract 5 from the leader's pipcount, divide by 7, and round down. This gives the point of last take when added to the leader's pipcount. If the leader's pipcount is 58 or more, then subtract 32, multiply by 2, and find the closest integral square root of that number. Once again, it gives the point of last take. Here is the link to Nack explaining this: http://www.bgonline.org/forums/webbb...mes;read=87795
 03-09-2019, 06:23 PM #8 hagadol stranger   Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 10 Re: Interesting Cube Decision Bill - Is the Keith Count still your ‘Adjusted Count’ of choice ?
 03-11-2019, 08:33 AM #9 Robertie old hand   Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,725 Re: Interesting Cube Decision Yes. It's very good and easier to use than some of the others, which matters when you're playing a tournament match and the clock is running. For races with some checkers in the outer boards I use the 8-9-12 Rule, again because it's simple, easy, and highly accurate.
 03-18-2019, 10:35 AM #10 hagadol stranger   Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 10 Re: Interesting Cube Decision Bill Until what point in the Bear Off do you continue to use the Keith Count ? Is there a point at which you switch to just manual rolls estimation or another system ? Regards Hagadol

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