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Estimating match win percentages from error rates Estimating match win percentages from error rates

08-19-2021 , 01:45 PM
As a new player I'm still trying to develop a feel for how often a better player (lower error rate) should beat a worse player (higher error rate). In chess it's a very high percentage of the time. In heads-up poker it's slightly over 50% of the time. Obviously it depends on lots of factors like how different the error rates are and what score the match is played to. I found a couple of tangentially related threads (mostly on single games) but nothing directly applicable to matches. I could take a crack at actually modeling this with different levels of sophistication, but as a first pass I thought I would ask here for ballpark estimates.

Based mostly on gut feeling (or rough calculations if you've seen them!), how often would you expect:
(1) a 15-average-PR player to beat a 10-average-PR player in a match to 3? to 7?
(2) a 15-average-PR player to beat Bill Robertie in a match to 3? to 7?
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08-21-2021 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfsgf
As a new player I'm still trying to develop a feel for how often a better player (lower error rate) should beat a worse player (higher error rate). In chess it's a very high percentage of the time. In heads-up poker it's slightly over 50% of the time. Obviously it depends on lots of factors like how different the error rates are and what score the match is played to. I found a couple of tangentially related threads (mostly on single games) but nothing directly applicable to matches. I could take a crack at actually modeling this with different levels of sophistication, but as a first pass I thought I would ask here for ballpark estimates.

Based mostly on gut feeling (or rough calculations if you've seen them!), how often would you expect:
(1) a 15-average-PR player to beat a 10-average-PR player in a match to 3? to 7?
(2) a 15-average-PR player to beat Bill Robertie in a match to 3? to 7?
As I recall Snowie used to give a match winning probability based on each players error rate. Not quite what you wanted but close. This feature was not included as part of XG.
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08-23-2021 , 09:29 PM
I found one specific data point in this old article from Phil Simborg. Apparently according to Snowie PR 3.8 vs. 12.5 has a 93% win chance in a match to 3. Higher than I would have thought! But roughly consistent with me playing against XG I guess.

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In the 3 point match below, I played at a World Class level, meaning that in this particular match, I played at a level that any of the top players in the world would be delighted to play at.

My opponent, however, played at an intermediate level—that's just above the beginner level. And according to Snowie, given our skill levels of play, I should beat this person 93 percent of the time. So that means that 7 out of 100 times I will lose to a player of this caliber if I play at World Class level (which I often do). But I lost. And it cost me money ($20).
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08-24-2021 , 10:39 AM
That seems way, way off. In a 3-point match, I would think a player playing at 3.8 would be something like 60-65% against a decent intermediate. (PR about 10-14). Take the match length up to 21 to 25 points and I think you could reach that 93% number.
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08-24-2021 , 12:48 PM
I can't vouch for the correctness of this, but here's what I found:

PR to Elo:

https://www.reddit.com/r/backgammon/...th_error_rate/

Elo to winning chances based on match length:

https://bkgm.com/faq/Ratings.html
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08-24-2021 , 03:40 PM
Thanks for the references! I calculated and plotted the implied win probabilities from the links that Z provided (where we assume a relationship between PR and Elo, which is more directly connected to winrate). Looks closer to what I might have initially guessed (if not somewhat closer to random) — this says PR 15 has about a 20% chance of beating PR 5 in a match to 15, for example.

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08-24-2021 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Robertie
That seems way, way off. In a 3-point match, I would think a player playing at 3.8 would be something like 60-65% against a decent intermediate. (PR about 10-14). Take the match length up to 21 to 25 points and I think you could reach that 93% number.
60-65% was a great guess btw. According to this model PR 3.8 has a 60% win probability against PR 10, and 66% against PR 14.
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