Hi ! I'm new here Is there any site where I can play backgammon online with real money ? I searched in google but didn't find anything. Thanks in advance !

There probably are, but I don't recommend that you play online for money. Even if you play for small stakes, you'll often find yourself playing against bots, or humans using bots, or just very strong human players. Even if you can avoid all that, some sites have been known to just accuse you of using bots and keep your deposit.

Don't play online backgammon for money unless you're happy to lose it all.

+1

And you haven't even mentioned the rake issue...

Don't play for real money online, backgammon is not the game for that. You will get cheated hard, bots can make perfect moves and win you + rakes...not worth it.

I recommend playing Backgammon Masters if you have iOS devices or Android:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/back...466854342?mt=8

I think it's even free or costs like $2. Anyway, worth it, but not for real money...

I have devised an algorithm that generates random dice numbers for backgammon, in such a way that it can be proven they are not being tampered with. I have tried to draw interest in my own environment, but I didn't manage to, partly because people don't take me serious. Will there be a market for this idea?

Probably not. Keep in mind that the various bots and websites already have perfectly good random number generators, but novices keep insisting that they're being cheated.

When Jellyfish came out back in the 90s, its developer was very careful to include a method that allowed players to set and show the seed for the RNG, so they could see that once the seed has been set, all the dice rolls are then predetermined. It didn't help. Players who called up to complain about the cheating dice didn't really understand about seeds and thought this was just more nefarious trickery.

The simple fact is this. The world is full of people who believe that they are very good backgammon players because once upon a time they beat their college roommate or an old girlfriend. When they encounter a bot or some actual good players, they get crushed. Now they have a choice: surrender the comforting old fantasy, or keep the fantasy and claim they were cheated. It's an easy call.

Predetermined dice could only work if the gameprovider is fully trustworthy, which we will never be sure about. My method is without predetermined dice, and can be understood by a novice, only it gives more work to check.

Mm... you probably don't get the point.

For an average backgammon player and/or an average mind, you can't expect logic usage in talking and thinking.

Even for an expert player SEEMS that bot sometime cheat in the game, because it's simply impossible to belive that anytime they get the right numbers (perfecta, doubles in races, dances when they try to close you out, 66 for you always when you're on the bar and so on).

I made a real experiment to convince me out. I played for say a month manually rolling the dices and playing against XG. Obv no contest: I was erased by the bot.

But in reality nobody would do such a work and manually roll the dice, because it's simpler to claim they cheat. There's no logic here. But it's how it goes.

So even if you manually roll real precision dice for every beginner and for any weak intermediate in the world at their home and you put them on XG they would still think that the bot cheats and the better ones would think that they are always unlucky.

It's simpler, we have twisted mind.

I thought Bill closed down thread on Internet Dice. Is it now open for comment?

I tend to shut threads down when we get a troll or two who claim they've been cheated and aren't willing to listen to good advice. So far this is a discussion of why so many feel they've been cheated when they actually haven't been, which is a little different, at least to me.

When the trolls appear I'll haul out the terrible swift sword.

Is a person a troll who suggests they have been cheated and disagree with your statement "many feel they have been cheated when they actually haven't been". Is it possible that the trolls or players with legitimate concerns have not come forth with some damning concerns and evidence as it applies to the game providers? Before labeling me a troll, you might want to hear some very valid concerns. And, if you are not interested that is fine with me. Maybe what I have to say is good advice which does not totally contradict your overall viewpoint on this subject.

Sorry, not interested.

It is becoming a custom that my topic is hijacked. This topic is not about internet criminality. Just we are not sure, and I like to change this.

Correction: hijacking my post

Sorry Yogi,

Bill is not open to discuss backgammon game provider dice or your possible resolution to actual or perceived problem.

This is not hijacking my post, but chopping it up.

Yogi

If you have an algorithm that resolves the backgammon game providers' dilemma, then you should be taken seriously. It appears that this is not the site to present or discuss it.

I can understand your take on it, but the thing is that not being taken seriously is not the right phrasing. I am treated in a subtly condescending manner. And since I have brought it out into the open, "brain powers" might be awakened to get away with my idea.