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09-18-2021 , 07:48 PM
Yesterday Brent C. and I were watching a match:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9eXMcVk2Y

Ryan Rebelo vs. Kazuki Yokota.

At 58:05 in the video the score is 2 away 2 away. We were astonished at all of the ND decisions made, however, we weren't able to understand if there is any strategy to holding the cube so long at this score. Was he trying to find a position to maybe steal the point and get a bad drop?

Is there any use learning this or just stick with "double if there are any market losing sequences?"
09-20-2021 , 01:00 PM
Given the position and what I know about my opponent, I think "who's more likely to lose their market (and by how much), me or my opponent?" And then I'll double if I think I'm more likely to lose my market, but weighted for the average market loss size. Obviously it's a bit of a guessing game.

If I'm playing against a very strong player, I'll just double right away and save myself the mental energy.
09-22-2021 , 09:53 PM
As a rule, I think that trying to make the "best" play whenever possible is the best strategy for all but the top wizards because they will have the best sense of whether they're deviating and a very good reason why.
09-23-2021 , 08:08 AM
How common in practice is the auto-double-at-2away/2away strategy at the intermediate level in your experience? I’m an intermediate and only recently started playing at my local club, but I get a lot of raised eyebrows when I do it, like these guys (who otherwise appear to be decent players, or have at least been playing for a long time) have never even seen it before. (A few have even asked me after the match what I was thinking). I thought this was pretty common knowledge.
09-23-2021 , 08:50 AM
It's very common knowledge among experienced players. There are, however, lots of players who have played a long time but handle the cube in matches just as they would in a money game. Looks like you've found your way into a group like that. (A good reply to the question "What were you thinking?" is "The match was too slow and I just wanted to get it over with.")
09-23-2021 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sdfsgf 2 Away 2 Away cube
How common in practice is the auto-double-at-2away/2away strategy at the intermediate level in your experience? I’m an intermediate and only recently started playing at my local club, but I get a lot of raised eyebrows when I do it, like these guys (who otherwise appear to be decent players, or have at least been playing for a long time) have never even seen it before. (A few have even asked me after the match what I was thinking). I thought this was pretty common knowledge.
Personally, I've played people who "forget" the 2A - 2A cube strategy until it's too late.

Pre-covid I played a club tournament and I doubled early at 2A - 2A and my opponent was shocked.

So in the intermediate player group there is a mix. Some know about it, some don't and even those who have heard of it, it might slip their mind or they fail to cube at the right point.

Although, best play is not to auto-cube. (XG has shown though that auto cubing at that score is almost never that big of an error) I learned the cubing point is when you are a slight favorite and you have any market losing sequences.
09-23-2021 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Robertie 2 Away 2 Away cube
It's very common knowledge among experienced players. There are, however, lots of players who have played a long time but handle the cube in matches just as they would in a money game. Looks like you've found your way into a group like that. (A good reply to the question "What were you thinking?" is "The match was too slow and I just wanted to get it over with.")
One time after being criticized for an "early" double at this score, I was feeling snarky, and I said "If it's bad for me for the cube to be at 2, then why didn't you double??"
09-23-2021 , 06:48 PM
I totally appreciate that it’s unnecessary/suboptimal to immediately double, but I know I have a pesky habit of always waiting too long to double and losing my market (far more often than I make the opposite mistake) so I do it for now.
09-25-2021 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sdfsgf 2 Away 2 Away cube
I totally appreciate that itís unnecessary/suboptimal to immediately double, but I know I have a pesky habit of always waiting too long to double and losing my market (far more often than I make the opposite mistake) so I do it for now.
This is exactly the point of my original response.
10-04-2021 , 08:43 PM
The logic of "cube immediately at 2-away 2-away" has always escaped me. Of course if your opponent chooses to do so you no longer have a decision. If he doesn't, like most people, the argument is "double because you might lose your market." Well, you opponent might lose his market too. If you're playing a stronger player, the double isn't a bad idea because it shortens the match and takes some of the skill out of it. Doubling automatically at this score against a weaker opponent, one whose cube judgment is inferior to yours, strikes me as counterproductive.
10-14-2021 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Robertie 2 Away 2 Away cube
It's very common knowledge among experienced players. There are, however, lots of players who have played a long time but handle the cube in matches just as they would in a money game. Looks like you've found your way into a group like that. (A good reply to the question "What were you thinking?" is "The match was too slow and I just wanted to get it over with.")
I used this line last night. Then I got a 10 minute lecture about how I wasnít nearly good enough to double and you donít want to give up the cube until you have a solid lead. This guy is over 2400 on Galaxy too.

      
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