http://youtu.be/A9BfsHsVGNg?t=32m30s

At 32:30 we found Eric Hovind say to say there is no god you need give up atheism. Anyone can explain this logic if there is any? Maybe it something with how he is understanding word atheism?
Almost seem like he is thinking atheism mean "we don't know" and nothing more :?

Thanks. :?

Yeah, apparently Mr. Hovind doesn't understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.

Oh he understands it perfectly. But his audience doesn't, which is what matters to him.

Sorry, any time I see the name "Hovind" anywhere I know I can stop paying attention immediately.

After 5 seconds it struck me that he was very, very stupid.

Sorry, what?

Haha.

Got my lolz for the day thanks to this post.

Kind of on topic but not really, I often wonder how people respond to this stuff when they're not from my area/background - I'm from Grand Rapids, Michigan, originally, which for a big city is extremely, extremely conservative. The headquarters for Zondervan publishing and Family Christian Stores, chances are, if you're holding a Bible, it's been in or through Grand Rapids at some point, and the majority of Christian music and media comes through here as well.

Chances are, if you grew up in Grand Rapids, you went to church at least as a kid, and if you did, names like Kent Hovind and Rob Bell are/were household names.

My Intro to Biology course in college exclusively taught Young Earth Creationism, and our textbook was 100% for/in defense of it.

Being away from it all now it seems quite creepy, but it's weird to know many people - including college graduates, teachers, university professors, etc. - that hear Kent Hovind (or someone else repeating what he said, since he's locked up now) and say "Yeah, that makes sense."

If you watch any Hovind Jr videos from the past year or so, you will notice he has more or less abandoned his father's position, and become a presuppositionalist, courtesy of Sxyxe Txexn Bxrxuxgxgxexnxcxaxtxe (known for Googling himself, hence the obsfucation - I would hate to be the one to attract him to this forum!). He particularly loves the argument 'if you don't know everything (or know someone that does), you cannot know anything'. Hence, making knowledge claims requires giving up the 'atheistic worldview' (his words) and adopting the Christian worldview (because Christians know someone that does know everything).

You could also check him and Sye's truly excruciating appearance on the Magic Sandwich show. He does much less of the talking then, and clearly doesn't understand the presuppositionalist position very well, but no doubt is getting more and more slick with his patter. Presuppositionism is such a disconcerting position, it generally takes atheists by surprise when they are first exposed to it, and it is difficult to argue with a slick orator.

Dude is boring

I don't know... At first I thought the point was the seeming contradiction between these two statements:

"I know that God doesn't exist"
"I could be wrong about everything."

Kinda like:

"I know my daughter's name is Victoria."
"I could be wrong about that."

So... if he can be wrong about everything, than he is not an atheist, because an atheist "knows" he is right. He just gave up his atheism, right?

That was the Christian dude's point, I think. Maybe.

I mean, I never want to see that video again ever. It's very painful to watch.

Isn't that defeated by itself? If I know I don't know everything, that's at least one thing that I know. Or by 'know', does he mean 'understand'?

Presuppositionism sounds like a Christian version of where I was a few months ago, as an atheist, in that I didn't understand how a religous person could admit that they might be wrong and then continue to believe in a god. Whilst I'm still not sure how that works, I'm not as firm in my conviction anymore.

As an atheist... I don't know what you're referring to. What do I know is right? I don't believe in a God. The only thing I know is that I don't believe in the existence of a God. I don't "know" that I'm right. Yet I am an atheist.

What do you mean by the bolded above?

The atheist guy keeps saying "we make 3 assumptions "

Then eric hovind should have said "we only make 1 assumption and that is that the god of the bible is real"

Would have been a sealed deal right there with occams razer

Checkmate, atheists.

Then everyone laughs at the idea that an all powerful super being whose actions cannot be seen, the descriptions fall outside of an observable phenomenon and whose logic makes no sense whatsoever... is offered by someone as 'the simplest explanation.'

Thats why its called an assumption

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He means the standard misinterpertation of atheists that they claim to know, with complete certainty, the nonexistence of God. Most atheists don't do this so the contradiction he identified doesn't exist.

Well, and/or the standard misinterpretation that "know" implies full certainty with absolutely no room for error. This is not how I personally use the term at least.