what the hell does this even mean? theists spew of all kinds of those concepts. God is love, god is safety, god is energy, etc. It's all bunch of gibberish that they themselves don't even understand what they mean by that.

He let His body die on the cross so he could leave me His Spirit so I can get to Heaven. He showed the Way to eternal life. You just have to follow His example. He always placed Spirit ahead of the flesh.

what is a spirit?

Um...no... sometimes i like being bored.

I mostly hear that from spiritualists(?), not theists, and the former are a lot better at explaining it than the latter. Have you read for example Tolle? To me it's a metaphor, it doesn't mean that God is some supernatural being who emits love and safety and stuff, it means that "finding God" means "finding Love" (which means that you find out how to love and accept yourself, not worry so much about other peoples opinions, not seeking their approval, how to give without being disappointed for not getting something in return etc etc etc).

Another example is that spiritual people would say that when Jesus speaks about "the kingdom of heaven on earth" he is not referring to an actual place up in the clouds that has been moved to the surface, he is referring to a state of consciousness in which you are not haunted by your past or fretting about the future (similarly to when Moses died in the desert in sight of the promised land it doesn't mean that he stumbled across an actual country - he means that just before he died he realized that there is no heaven, but that "heaven" is just being able to be happy here and now and not search for it like a ****ing pot at the end of the rainbow). You are simply content, happy, joyful, here and now.

Then there are religious people who have found this state, but they *think* it is something God somehow put into their mind and body, rather than something they produced themselves through choosing focus. There's nothing mystical, magical or supernatural about it all really. "Flow" in sports I think would be the best scientifical explanation of this.

Ok so obviously he did this for me as well then. The question remains, how did you become aware of this and why am I not even if he did it for me?

And when I'm aware I should get myself crucified?

Never read Tolle, but this seems to have nothing to do with God nor heaven.

But why would one need the concept of GOD and worshiping him if it's all about our own feelings and has nothing to do with afterlife etc. There is no need to obey any of these religious doctrines in order to be happy and content about ones life...



Yeah, I just don't see the need for religion or God to achieve any of these feelings...

I consider it likely that , if there was a jesus, then the message he gave was one similar to what "enlightened" people have been giving since for ever, there is no self ( giving up the ego), everything is one( there is no self, no "you", everything is a process of the universe), I am the only way into heaven( the only way to get to heaven, enlightenment, whatever, is to become as I ( jesus) have become, ie, enlightened) etc etc similar to what Tolle and Alan Watts also say. I also consider it likely that his message was waaaaaay misinterpreted and miscontrued by those around him. So they would interpret his message as meaning "God" , as a set of rules to obey, as literally the only way to get into heaven, basically F*** up the message completely.

Right, it hasn't, not in the biblical sense at least. Problem is that some spiritual people have a completely different definition of God than religious people but still toss around the same terms. It's confusing and unfortunately deter people from learning more about the philosophies regarding 'enlightenment', which in and of themselves are very sound imo, and as I said not mystical at all.

Yeah, although for some religion can actually help get to that state it is still kind of an illusion, but more importantly all those rules and stuff, and concerning yourself with the afterlife etc, will actually make it more difficult to be happy and content right here and now. Instead stress, anxiety, guilt, shame etc is created around following/not following the rules...

This. I used to be an atheist and still am but after learning about spirituality/enlightenment I view Jesus in a completely different light. He seems to have been a really cool and smart guy.

I think Jesus as a person was much more similar to an enlightened person without religion as to a fearing Christian today. Jesus was a man who thought for himself which brought him closer to the understanding of the universe and the human relation to it. Besides the religious cult stuff he was a very intelligent man with a lot of understanding of how to live a good life on this planet. All people who've started religions were nothing but very spiritual, confident independent people who weren't afraid to think outside the box. All the people who followed them were people who had either no spiritual intellect to think for themselves or were weak followers.

This is a really worldly interpretation if you ask me.

Really the only conclusion when you compare Jesus with other "religious" leaders is that he was in a class by Himself.

The reason why people follow him is because he's the Door, the Way, the Truth and the Life. The way to spiritual rebirth is through him not through your own intellect but through him personally.

Jesus never told anyone to do "their own thing". He said "You must be born again." In fact he's so adamant about it he says it 3 times in the Book of John, chapter 3.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+3&version=KJV

Its all about love and trust. In heaven we will be able to love God and have complete trust that our love is appreciated and never thrown back in our face. Whatever way we decide to show our love for God - it will be accepted and returned.

Boredom is a state of mind (earthly mind) fearful of this the Hindus even took the time to describe life in heaven with what they call Rasas, or if you like: relationships with God. These can be permanent or interchangeable. You can be God’s child, brother, parent or even lover etc. all in play and never removing the fact that God is still God. As a Christian I am content with being God’s child.

I doubt you have to worry too much about what heaven is like, sinner.
Let us good Christians worry about eternal peace and happiness. You can complain all day, every day, to Hitler and Howard Grinder.

If you make it to Heaven, then no, I don't think you would be bored. This life on Earth, as we know it, is just a fraction of what Heaven (As I understand it) is like. And as some have mentioned, praising God in Heaven does not necessarily mean standing around and singing all day (Or though it could, if it is God's will). I believe that serving God in Heaven involves an infinite amount of various Heavenly duties so that we can continue to become closer to God.

I think the question: 'If I don't like it there, can I leave?' is a more pertinent question.

God, spelling out the word "one" at the end is just so cool. Teach me to be that cool.

Satan and some of the angels left...

Being evicted isn't the same thing as left. Like getting fired isn't the same thing as laid off. Like masterbating on an airplane isn't the same thing as..... wait.. what was the question?

Well if i got bored i would just tell God im taking over and then get evicted.

This, if there is something that lasted for an eternity i would assume it would be what you wanted. it would be like my dreams where im playing in random WSOP events and everyone else happens to be playing hold em, but new cards keep appearing in my hole cards and i end up with a royal, quads, a 2 other sets at the same time. i obv proceed to smash all my opponents and take monies. i dont think that would ever be boring and oppressive. every time i have the dream i wake up feeling great

You never used cheats in a video game before? It gets boring very quickly, and detracts from any possible enjoyment.

That might work.... but say you do and when you get to HELL you find out you really hate it there. Maybe Satan isn't so kind and wont let you leave. Now you're stuck in HELL with Hitler and Howard Grinder.
Better think this one through a bit more.... Mr. Batair.

Hitler and Howard Grinder???
Funniest thing I've heard in a while.

well thats just not true. it depends what cheat you use. god mode, or unlimited bullets.

I dont care for Satan so im not going to hell. My plan is to get booted out of heaven and come down and torment earth. Its full proof.

And that's the tooth.