As a defender of Christianity I would at least expect you to be coherent in the doctrine of your own religion!

According to Christian doctrine Satan is to be bound in hell with the unbelievers at the judgement. He doesn't control or master over hell NOW, as you seem to claim.

God is the one who throws people and satan in hell and does not allow them to leave...Satan's dominion is earth (how he got it in lieu of an all pwerful god is beyond me), not hell.

So if you don't like heaven, maybe you can insult God by ridiculously claiming you want to be leader of heaven and get thrown out if you don't like it there? He does seem to not take insults to his ego very well.

One thing is certain though, there is no escape from this celestial tyranny.

You dare to insult your own god?
You must be hating the thought of going to heaven as well then.

Also, heaven is for people who are not satisfied with their own lifes imo.
Hoping that if they close their eyes, and talk to air that they'll get to a better place rather then actually making their life wortwhile.

Heaven can't excist imo since there's no such thing as a perfect place.
There are too many variables to make a place perfect.
Someone's view of perfection will change every day if not more frequently.

If you fill my place up with 50 hot naked women, **** yeah it's perfect. But after a day or 100 when I'm through banging them all senseless, I need something else. I want to party to the music of Avicii while drinking lot's of shots with my friends. If someone can reassure me that this is what I'm going to find in heaven, then sign me up.
Untill then I believe that religion and all the bs around it is a story made up centuries ago which has blown out of proportion due to human's nature. By which I mean 'People hear/believe what they want to hear/believe'.

You may or may not believe this. But I'm a really open minded person.
It's just that no-one has ever convinced me that there is a God, despite many attempts. Which makes me skeptical about the whole subject.

The only thing I believe in is karma. Not as a higher power. But as a logical action -> reaction cyclus.

Ummm... the new guy obviously doesn't get my sense of humor. Welcome to 2+2 new guy... better lighten up or the wolves will eat you alive here.... and by wolves I'm referring to the baby eaters.

Where is this heaven?

It's between your ears.

I dont get it!

Interesting that you appear to know this.

But don't know this:

Due to evolutionary reasons, the brains functions in a way that it always tricks us by constantly affirming our beliefs.

Complex knowledge structures in your brain, that form your beliefs - have a significant influence on what you perceive in the real world. This is because they cause your brain to ignore or dismiss all incoming information that does not align with those pre-existing knowledge structures/beliefs. The end result is that you only see and perceive that which you want to perceive (that which you believe). If you believe in karma, you will only ever witness the instances where it’s true (i.e. someone wrongs you, and a week later something bad happens to them), and your brain will dismiss all information that contradicts karma’s validity (i.e. someone wrongs you, and nothing bad happens to them/something good happens to them instead).

It's an evolutionary mechanism which aids survival. Form beliefs regarding how best to survive -> only perceive those things -> ignore rest -> survive. Unfortunately, this mechanism can act to reinforce all sorts of ridiculous beliefs, and quite literally - paralyze thoughts or create delusion.

However, if by karma...you were not referring to the traditional notions of karma, as outlined above, and you were strictly talking about the law of reciprocity, then we do share the same belief.

Heaven was always portrayed to me as the perfect place where everyone got along and everything was "perfect".

-If heaven is a "perfect place" and you "live" there eternally what is the appeal of this?

With seemingly nothing to accomplish how would time be spent?

Next time you are really tried, just don't post. And if you really must, at least put it in the right forum.

Science, Math, and Philosophy.

Religion, God, and Theology

EDIT: and here's the same thread you were trying to make: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...ssive-1099959/

I'm not religious so I guess I was trying to think of this in more of a philosophical way as in what is the allure of heaven etc...

Maybe a mod can move post for me if they see it...

what is it good for? absolutely nothing.

Heaven was invented by men to get more followers in their made-up religions.

We know the heaven described by religion is false because of multiple paradoxes it would have to include, such as people being aware that their family members are burning in hell yet they are completely happy about it.

It's one of those subjects in religion where they all respond, "I don't know, I realize it makes no sense at all but God is much smarter than us and omnipotent so he can make anything happen."

You have no real experience on which to base this opinion on OP.

Your own mind could be forcing you to jump to an unsustainable conclusion.

Since heave is an alternate state of reality why would you let your current state of mind dictate to a future state that could be better?

perhaps my favorite quote yet!

i wouldnt worry 2 much just like me and everyother organism,after lites out ur gonna rot in the ground!!! sorry

You will be a lobotomized version of yourself too, so you will probably enjoy the company of the lobotomized version of your family.