Yes. Unfortunately.



The point is to show others wrongs to lessen your own.

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Why would you do that? You heard of materialism, right? You heard of the gaps fallacy? Put two and two together.

The more science explains, the more it leaves unexplained. That is pretty much inherent in the process as we have so far experienced it, and is what we want anyway. The amount of known unknowns (i.e. "gaps") has been increased by science.

BTW, one thing I expect to not survive the 21st century is this absurdly naive "faith versus science" false dichotomy being pushed by the priests of McScience, "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists" style.

That false dichotomy is pushed as much, if not more, by religious people. Just read any evolution thread to find out evolution and God cant co-exist.

Science is a method of investigation, not a collection of sacrosanct dogmas (e.g. "evolution").

All i know is religious people keep trying to tell me God and evolution (among other things) are mutually exclusive. So it seems like they are as much the dividers as any.

So you have no source.

Actually the number of things we cannot explain and do not expect to be able to explain in the future has decreased dramatically.

That's right, I don't have a source for that. However, no one with any kind of depth of understanding in a scientific field is going to say the amount of known unknowns ("gaps") has been decreased by science. They have multiplied tremendously in the last few centuries.

Oh wait, I see you have the weasel words "and do not expect to be able to explain in the future" included there. You just changed the subject from science to faith.

That is bull****; so could you please stop that? A few thousand years ago people did not know why plants grow, and they never expected to find out. So "a god does it".
Today we expect to eventually find out everything. There are only a few exceptions where a god might come in; definitely much less than in past centuries.

Well, I don't think the "God did it" belief is going anywhere anytime soon, but on the religion side of things and in particular religion's influence in secular affairs, I think we'll see a continued decline.

My general argument in favor of religion would be that who knows if we'd be better off or not had religion and the concept of God not been part and parcel of our early development. It's not like there's a race of people who didn't adopt God or religion where we can compare outcomes. So saying society as a whole would be better or worse without religions presence in our past is just speculation in my opinion. But I do feel that we needed some sort of overpowering authority to raise from our more brutish, might-makes-right past.

My general argument against religion would be that if we at one time needed that higher authority to establish earthly human rights and eventually become civilized with laws and codes of conduct, that may no longer be the case. Religion or its adherents can allow itself or themselves to trump civil law in the name of a 'higher' good or right and ends up creating the very un-civility that it may have had a hand in eradicating.

WTF

Are we the gods?

We already have a viable candidate in m theory for theory of everything.

Theory of everything sounds like one theory to me. Are there parallel universes? Can that be worked out by humans?

I can't prove it, but, I think Spirtual Beleifs will survive the 21st century. However, it is known many of the Scienctific Theories of Today will not survive.

No, it's not known because it's not true. The scientific theories will be refined, but they won't as a whole be thrown out.

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScien...ityofWrong.htm

They will be improved on, yes. I forget who but someone wrote an essay on discarding theories of yesterday for theories of today. i.e. each theory is closer than the truth and we only come up with new ones as we find more information.

e.g. in the beginning it made sense that the world was flat.
Then we noticed it was curved as ships would disappear as they sailed away.
Then we thought the world was spherical.
Now we think it's an ellipsoid.
Tomorrow we will have a new theory, but we won't think it is a pyramid or a donut shape. Each time we are much closer than before.

edit: oh yeah asimov wrote it

Um.... Islam is one of the largest religions in the world, why would you "take it out" of the percentage?

You appeared to criticize me yet didn't supply your basis for doing so.

I was just being pessimisstic in my first post itt...I think its more likely the human race will destroy itself (most likely from ignorance) sooner than it will lose its' spiritual propensities.

People really are dangerous with technology. We are all the times discovering we let the genii out of the bottle before we knew there was a genii in there to be let out.

Hmm...the Jewish people experienced two major Diasporas ca. 600 BCE and 70 CE and somehow Judaism still exists. What's another century?

Religion doesn't fix that because it is apart of it. It might be the biggest might makes right of them all.

Also there have been people without God/Gods in human history. Not many but a few.

Ok, I'll be more specific. What do you mean by "oops...hope is a Christian virture?"

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment....off the cuff stab at sly humor...

There is more atheists on this site that claim this then theists.

This is bull****. What has been explained by science today is very very little of what was attributed to God. Science explains whats happening, but in most cases does not explain why it is happening.

Science gives us the mechanism, that's all. In other words, it gives us the what and how, never the why. This idea that people were attributing the world around us to magic is just a strawman.

If someone was to say right now that plants grow because of God, science would have nothing to say about it. There's more reason to believe in God then ever before.

If you want to point me to a post ill take back what i said but i have never seen an atheist say or even insinuate evolution and A God are mutually exclusive. If you want to switch it up and say they say the biblical God and evolution are. alright.

ya, it will survive the 21st century.

dunno about the 23rd though. that might be the 50/50 century.