Other then you are saying wants in my mind, thats fine. As long as you dont break out the, God does not reveal himslef in undeniable ways because it would interfere with free will defense, its all good.

holy **** really? Sorry first time in the religion section....I'm now feeling sick.

Go tell your boyfriend, I'm not here to play games.

Hum... i thought you believed what you were saying, now im not so sure.

Clearly he is a level that's why i quoted him. if not then had me fooled. He is mocking.

Two completely unintelligible sentences. Nicely done.

Thanks, i try.

You mean the christian god reveals himself clearly to all? This seems empirically false, throughout history there certainly has been millions and millions and millions of people who lived there whole life's without even getting a chance to "hear the good news" so to speak. People who never got to read the christian bible or even hear a single quote from it, not because of freewill but entirely do to circumstance.

You might enjoy browsing this site Stu since you found the Miracle of Calenda. It's the World Christian Doctors Network. It has a lot of divine healing case studies and that's their avowed purpose: to find divine healing cases.

http://www.wcdn.org/wcdn_eng/case/divine_case_e.asp

[] not incredibly dangerous.

Is there a reason why the majority of those faith-healed people are Korean?

I have no idea. China, Taiwan, Honduras, India, Dubai, U.S. and Peru cases are also given.

The advisors and directors are internationally representative.

Yeah, not cool.

There are stories of people refusing treatment and then claiming healing through divine intervention. Do real doctors really endorse that sort of behaviour?

Pictures and names of the patients are provided, which is very weird. I'm surprised people would allow others to use graphic pictures of their medical procedures/ailments, it seems like an invasion of privacy.

I don't know about medicine, but in psychology using 'testimonials' like this for whatever purpose is regarded as very unethical.

That website is a joke, and if you think that website proves anything I feel really sorry for you and your reasoning skills.. I'll post this again since it seems to go right over people's head..

1: There is no miracle report coming from men of sufficient character and in the right circumstances to guard against all possibility of fraud.
2: False miracle reports are common, and people have been observed to have an irrational eagerness to accept them. Hume notes that when such a situation develops with other types of stories--say, local gossip--reasonable people become reluctant to accept any such story without better than normal assurance.
3: Miracles tend not to be reported today, but rather are mainly reported in the distant past where education was rare and the people were, in Hume's words, "ignorant and barbarous."
4: Miracles have been claimed in favor of every religion, but these religions make contradictory claims, so the pieces of evidence for the miracles of different religions destroy each other.

Obviously that website is a fraud, and you're a fraud if you endorse it. Why are you a fraud? Because when you get sick you actually go to the doctor and rely on what science has done for you, yet you quote this website to imply that miracles are real. Disgusting debate tactic, dishonest yet totally expected. If you break your leg are you going to pray for it to be fixed or are you going to the hospitable? Why would you bother with something that is proven to have a terrible track record when you could just go to the hospitable, get an x-ray(yahoo science), get a cast (yahoo science) and be on your merry way. You can't have your cake and eat it too, sorry fraudster.

It's quite clear that the lack of real miracles as described in the bible is actually the anti-thesis to Christianity and proves the Christian god is imaginary, you just have to open your eyes. Unfortunately those addicted to Christianity are by analogy sedated, unable to open their eyes, and their reasoning skills diminished..

The Mormons beat God to it.

Quadruple Amputee Gets New Arms, Hands

FTA: "Hospital from a team of 40 surgeons, nurses, anesthesiologists, residents, radiologists and physician."

YEP, SOUNDS LIKE GOD'S DOING..

plus the dead-guy donor

Stop the presses.

It must be another (non-Mormon) Brigham. Named after Peter Bent Brigham, who left $5.3 million at his death to the construction of the hospital.

Too much time in RGT.

Points deducted from Mormons. Points deducted from God. Points deducted from VP$IP.

First down. Resume play.

Seriously atheists claim to want evidence is a boondoggle. Many don't examine it they just go into automatic skeptic reject mode.

Which begs the real question: What ability do they have to examine the evidence and arrive at a valid conclusion. I mean...second guessing doctors like you are doctors, c'mon....many of you haven't got the expertise to evaluate the medical evidence presented.

You wouldn't presume to self diagnose would you but you can evaluate evidence presented by medical doctors on their own site?

I looked at the doctors listed on the site you provided. Do their credentials impress you?

Yes.

Do the doctors who say prayer doesn't help impress you?

Anyone can create a website to push an agenda, and creating credentials isn't exactly hard. That's why I choose to go with stuff like peer-reviewed papers instead of websites like that junk you posted. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You use this logic daily yet when it comes to this topic you seem to lack that logic - it's weird..

If I told you dragons (of the flying variety) existed and provided a website with detailed anatomy drawings, pictures, and other supporting evidence would you believe dragons existed? What if I showed you a video of a dragon, would that be good enough? Or would you want to actually see a real dragon with your own eyes before you believed it? Seeing the dragon in real life is equivalent to a amputee regenerating a limb. Yet in one circumstance you are willing to loosen your criteria for differentiating between fact and fantasy, and in the other you are not willing to loosen your criteria. But there is no objective difference between both situations, so it begs the question is to why you brain fail when your belief system is brought under a microscope?

? I'm still curious about this, maybe my thinking if off, but this always seemed like a foolish totally irrational tribalistic view meant to hide and pretend that your beliefs haven't condemn 10's of millions of people throughout history to auto-hell no matter how good they were.

First of all, skepticism is not rejection. Secondly, there is a reasonable standard in science for acceptance which has been met for many medical procedures, such as using radiation to fight cancer. These standards of evidence have not been met for faith healing. Of course, skepticism remains even in science, as, despite the attempts at rigorousness, it can be wrong (see insulin shock therapy). If faith healing begins to meet accepted standards, it will remove most of my skepticism.

That's not what "begging the question" means. I'm not qualified to examine most medical evidence, but there is an accepted standard in the community which faith healing hasn't met.