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Be more specific then.
I was. I used Hinduism as an example.
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Yea and i am sure you have a great interpretation of that book along with the books of all religions you are trying to discuss.
I'd wager my own limited knowledge of Islam over yours. Although this is really off topic as it gets. Deliberately on your part I'm sure.
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Who tries to discuss all religions at once anyways?
I wasn't. I used Hinduism as an example.
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You made this clear nowhere.
I used Hinduism as an example.
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Because you are all over the place.
I'm not all over the place. I've directly asked you the same simple question several times, and you just keep making up cheap excuses to not answer it.
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You don't know what reality is. I have a questioning personality just as much as any other. That didn't stop me from putting effort into finding God. If anything, it helped.
Yeah, most people who
don't have a skeptical/questioning personality probably think they're skeptics at heart. That's natural I'm sure. It's just like how EVERYONE believes they're above average intelligence.
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So you can provide proof then...
Proof is in "off and on Atheists".
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No, your wrong. Truth has 2 meanings. There is truth, which is exactly what i was referring to, and there is The Truth, which is not what i was referring to.
These are the same thing given you're a Christian. The "truth" = "The Truth" for you, because that's what you believe. So you saying that you "search for the "truth" is you searching for the "truth"
that is "The Truth". It's circular for you, and not a genuine search for just the "truth".
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When they mature into adulthood...that is no real answer. There are many adults that have had faith in their parents from the moment they were born. There is no connection between growing hair on your chest and losing their innate faith. And your wrong, they specifically have innate faith in their parents.
This is all irrelevant as I was referring to faith in ideas, not faith in parents... even though
you're wrong, and adolescence/maturity sees that instinctual faith in parental wisdom decline sharply. It's called rebellious/questioning teenagers. But ya you don't have a point anyway so keep arguing it and wasting your own time.
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Satan had proof, is he in heaven? Oh and i am pretty sure the anti-Christ does not get into heaven...Read Mark 8:12 and Matthew 16:4.
I'm not Satan, or the anti-Christ. There's no good reason I wouldn't have my chances for Heaven immensely increased with proof of God.
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You are trying to find God, but you are putting no effort in whatsoever. What you are doing here is not what you are supposed to do. The proof is there, but for some reason you think you are going to find it arguing with Christians about 100 topics at once, while you put words in their posts. GL with that.
Um, no, there is no proof. The Bible isn't "proof" of anything anymore than any other mythical, man written, and impossible to decipher and interpret religious text.
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"Sure, but as a Christian you claim to know all of the hard questions as I said, the entire nature of existence, and the meaning of everything and why everything happens."
I never claimed to know all the hard questions about anything. You just said i claimed that, which is dishonest.
"The meaning of life and our purpose and the nature of our eternal being" would typically be recognized as the "hard questions".
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And when you say Thomas had a free ticket into heaven, that is a lie also.
It's not a lie, how is it? He got absolute proof of God, which is a free ticket into Heaven. You could even (stupidly) argue that he could throw that ticket away, and not go to Heaven; but it would still be a free ticket in his hand; that none of us today get.
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Honestly you are not someone anyone can have a big discussion with. Feel free to make points one at a time and i may respond. Until then you are using these big discussions to twist words around and i am not going to waste hours of my day keeping you on track. One topic at a time.
Oh, It's all my fault the discussion got to this size? You had no participation in this? Need I quote your every response ITT to show that this is a two way street? lol, I haven't "twisted" any words around just by responding to you point for point. That doesn't make any sense. This is just how discussions work. They grow large after a while. Now, you misinterpreted one of my points, but I've explained that. If you want to be delusional and say I'm manipulating things, that's your problem. And considering you've been using a cheap excuse not to respond to the core of my argument this whole time, I'm not gonna have much sympathy for your complaints of "manipulation"; because you seem to be doing just that. If you don't want to respond anymore for stupid ****, fine with me. You're dodging my argument anyway.
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