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Why won't god do something incredible that will compell non-believers to believe NOW? Why won't god do something incredible that will compell non-believers to believe NOW?

06-18-2010 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Be more specific then.
I was. I used Hinduism as an example.

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Yea and i am sure you have a great interpretation of that book along with the books of all religions you are trying to discuss.
I'd wager my own limited knowledge of Islam over yours. Although this is really off topic as it gets. Deliberately on your part I'm sure.

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Who tries to discuss all religions at once anyways?
I wasn't. I used Hinduism as an example.


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You made this clear nowhere.
I used Hinduism as an example.


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Because you are all over the place.
I'm not all over the place. I've directly asked you the same simple question several times, and you just keep making up cheap excuses to not answer it.


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You don't know what reality is. I have a questioning personality just as much as any other. That didn't stop me from putting effort into finding God. If anything, it helped.
Yeah, most people who don't have a skeptical/questioning personality probably think they're skeptics at heart. That's natural I'm sure. It's just like how EVERYONE believes they're above average intelligence.


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So you can provide proof then...
Proof is in "off and on Atheists".


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No, your wrong. Truth has 2 meanings. There is truth, which is exactly what i was referring to, and there is The Truth, which is not what i was referring to.
These are the same thing given you're a Christian. The "truth" = "The Truth" for you, because that's what you believe. So you saying that you "search for the "truth" is you searching for the "truth" that is "The Truth". It's circular for you, and not a genuine search for just the "truth".


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When they mature into adulthood...that is no real answer. There are many adults that have had faith in their parents from the moment they were born. There is no connection between growing hair on your chest and losing their innate faith. And your wrong, they specifically have innate faith in their parents.
This is all irrelevant as I was referring to faith in ideas, not faith in parents... even though you're wrong, and adolescence/maturity sees that instinctual faith in parental wisdom decline sharply. It's called rebellious/questioning teenagers. But ya you don't have a point anyway so keep arguing it and wasting your own time.


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Satan had proof, is he in heaven? Oh and i am pretty sure the anti-Christ does not get into heaven...Read Mark 8:12 and Matthew 16:4.
I'm not Satan, or the anti-Christ. There's no good reason I wouldn't have my chances for Heaven immensely increased with proof of God.

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You are trying to find God, but you are putting no effort in whatsoever. What you are doing here is not what you are supposed to do. The proof is there, but for some reason you think you are going to find it arguing with Christians about 100 topics at once, while you put words in their posts. GL with that.
Um, no, there is no proof. The Bible isn't "proof" of anything anymore than any other mythical, man written, and impossible to decipher and interpret religious text.



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"Sure, but as a Christian you claim to know all of the hard questions as I said, the entire nature of existence, and the meaning of everything and why everything happens."

I never claimed to know all the hard questions about anything. You just said i claimed that, which is dishonest.
"The meaning of life and our purpose and the nature of our eternal being" would typically be recognized as the "hard questions".


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And when you say Thomas had a free ticket into heaven, that is a lie also.
It's not a lie, how is it? He got absolute proof of God, which is a free ticket into Heaven. You could even (stupidly) argue that he could throw that ticket away, and not go to Heaven; but it would still be a free ticket in his hand; that none of us today get.


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Honestly you are not someone anyone can have a big discussion with. Feel free to make points one at a time and i may respond. Until then you are using these big discussions to twist words around and i am not going to waste hours of my day keeping you on track. One topic at a time.
Oh, It's all my fault the discussion got to this size? You had no participation in this? Need I quote your every response ITT to show that this is a two way street? lol, I haven't "twisted" any words around just by responding to you point for point. That doesn't make any sense. This is just how discussions work. They grow large after a while. Now, you misinterpreted one of my points, but I've explained that. If you want to be delusional and say I'm manipulating things, that's your problem. And considering you've been using a cheap excuse not to respond to the core of my argument this whole time, I'm not gonna have much sympathy for your complaints of "manipulation"; because you seem to be doing just that. If you don't want to respond anymore for stupid ****, fine with me. You're dodging my argument anyway.

Last edited by soontobepro; 06-18-2010 at 11:29 PM.
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06-18-2010 , 11:40 PM
lol

No offense soontobepro, but i usually put up with nonsense like this, but you have been beyond ridiculous with this discussion. If you want start over go ahead, but i will not be discussing 20 topics at once with you. Oh and don't twist words around or put words in my mouth this time. For some reason you posted that i have claimed that i know all the hard questions regarding life. I never claimed this, ever.

Last edited by Gunth0807; 06-18-2010 at 11:48 PM.
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06-19-2010 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by soontobepro
"The meaning of life and our purpose and the nature of our eternal being" would typically be recognized as the "hard questions".
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Oh, It's all my fault the discussion got to this size? You had no participation in this? Need I quote your every response ITT to show that this is a two way street? lol, I haven't "twisted" any words around just by responding to you point for point. That doesn't make any sense. This is just how discussions work. They grow large after a while. Now, you misinterpreted one of my points, but I've explained that. If you want to be delusional and say I'm manipulating things, that's your problem. And considering you've been using a cheap excuse not to respond to the core of my argument this whole time, I'm not gonna have much sympathy for your complaints of "manipulation"; because you seem to be doing just that. If you don't want to respond anymore for stupid ****, fine with me. You're dodging my argument anyway.
Read it this time.
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06-19-2010 , 12:23 AM
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lol

No offense soontobepro, but i usually put up with nonsense like this, but you have been beyond ridiculous with this discussion. If you want start over go ahead, but i will not be discussing 20 topics at once with you. Oh and don't twist words around or put words in my mouth this time. For some reason you posted that i have claimed that i know all the hard questions regarding life. I never claimed this, ever.
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Yes i do know the answers to some "hard" questions, but not all of them, like you have claimed.
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06-19-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Yes i do know the answers to some "hard" questions, but not all of them, like you have claimed.
Being semantic now. I wasn't referring to math questions. You do claim to know all of the hard questions about life in the right context.
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06-19-2010 , 12:45 AM
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Being semantic now. I wasn't referring to math questions. You do claim to know all of the hard questions about life in the right context.
No i don't. You claim i do.
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06-19-2010 , 12:54 AM
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No i don't. You claim i do.
I specified the list which applies to any Christians beliefs. You do claim to know everything on that list. You do indeed as a Christian claim to know the answers to the (all of those) hard questions in life, as laid out in your religion. That is being a kind of know-it-all in a fashion unmatched by most Atheists.

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Found this gem by the way thought I'd share:

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It is because true Christians know better, everyone else just believes better.
No know-it-all in that!

Last edited by soontobepro; 06-19-2010 at 01:17 AM.
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06-19-2010 , 01:09 AM
The hard questions.


Is the a creator God?

Christianity has the answer.


Who am i and why am i here?

Christianity has the answers.


What is here and how did here get here or was here always here?

Christianity has the answers (science is sneaking up on you a little on this one but since science is everyone's its not really just atheistic knowledge).



Christians are the know it all's on the big questions. We atheists have no answers just questions.

Last edited by batair; 06-19-2010 at 01:15 AM.
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06-19-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by soontobepro
I specified the list which applies to any Christians beliefs. You do claim to know everything on that list. You do indeed as a Christian claim to know the answers to the (all of those) hard questions in life, as laid out in your religion. That is being a kind of know-it-all in a fashion unmatched by most Atheists.

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Found this gem by the way thought I'd share:



No know-it-all in that!
The point is soontobepro you are twisting words and posts around to make the claim that i claim i know all the answers to all the hard questions in life. And it stuff like that which prevents any type of reasonable discussion with you.

And your little gem was referring to the fact that Christians know they know The Truth. Atheists believe they have The Truth.

Nowhere does that statement claim that i know the answers to all the hard questions in life.
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06-19-2010 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
The hard questions.


Is the a creator God?

Christianity has the answer.


Who am i and why am i here?

Christianity has the answers.


What is here and how did here get here or was here always here?

Christianity has the answers (science is sneaking up on you a little on this one but since science is everyone's its not really just atheistic knowledge).



Christians are the know it all's on the big questions. We atheists have no answers just questions.
So what is stopping you from taking a look?

Oh yea your too busy arguing with Christians on an internet forum. In meaningless ways by the way.
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06-19-2010 , 01:32 AM
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So what is stopping you from taking a look?

Oh yea your too busy arguing with Christians on an internet forum. In meaningless ways by the way.
So you agree Christians are the know it all's on those hard questions and atheists dont know jack. Thats good im glad we got that cleared up.
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06-19-2010 , 01:36 AM
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The point is soontobepro you are twisting words and posts around to make the claim that i claim i know all the answers to all the hard questions in life. And it stuff like that which prevents any type of reasonable discussion with you.
1. You do in fact claim to know all of those things as a Christian.

2. No excuse for ignoring my separate and primary argument.

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And your little gem was referring to the fact that Christians know they know The Truth. Atheists believe they have The Truth.

Nowhere does that statement claim that i know the answers to all the hard questions in life.
The Truth = Answers to the hard questions.
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06-19-2010 , 01:37 AM
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So you agree Christians are the know it all's on those hard questions and atheists dont know jack. Thats good im glad we got that cleared up.
You said it, not me.

Soontobepro, you were all over the place, i have no clue what your primary argument was, or if it was even an argument.
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06-19-2010 , 01:42 AM
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Soontobepro, you were all over the place, i have no clue what your primary argument was, or if it was even an argument
I wasn't all over the place, you were. You were too busy talking about how the Koran says to kill Christians and therefore you can't answer my argument for some nonexistent reason. I must have repeated it at least 4 times to you but you just dodged away.
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06-19-2010 , 01:44 AM
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I wasn't all over the place, you were. You were too busy talking about how the Koran says to kill Christians and therefore you can't answer my argument for some nonexistent reason. I must have repeated it at least 4 times to you but you just dodged away.
Yea that is it. See how dishonest you are being?

Too busy talking about how the Koran says to kill Christians... I simply asked the question, you did not know the answer to it, and i let it go.
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06-19-2010 , 01:47 AM
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You said it, not me.
You are correct sir. You are the one who said atheists are the know it alls. Im happy i could show you your error.
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06-19-2010 , 01:51 AM
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Yea that is it. See how dishonest you are being?

Too busy talking about how the Koran says to kill Christians... I simply asked the question, you did not know the answer to it, and i let it go.
You asked the question to ignore my question I was posing to you. And you never let it go you never shut up about it.
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06-19-2010 , 01:57 AM
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You asked the question to ignore my question I was posing to you. And you never let it go you never shut up about it.
You are lying. Please provide at least 5 quotes regarding that since it was a rather long conversation and i was too busy talking about that and wouldn't shut up about it.
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06-19-2010 , 02:42 AM
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You are lying. Please provide at least 5 quotes regarding that since it was a rather long conversation and i was too busy talking about that and wouldn't shut up about it.
It's the last 5 responses at the top of the page every time. Quote it yourself.

You're ignored.
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06-19-2010 , 02:56 AM
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It's the last 5 responses at the top of the page every time. Quote it yourself.

You're ignored.
I don't think RGT has ever had a poster as dishonest as you.

But thanks for ignoring me, maybe you can find another person that will put up with your discussions.
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06-19-2010 , 06:10 AM
On the Quran and Christians

29:46

And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.
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06-20-2010 , 12:08 AM
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I don't think RGT has ever had a poster as dishonest as you.
Irony from the troll.

You know you're not half bad. 4000 troll posts is pretty damn good. But I think most of your success is due to the forum being lax in punishing trolling, than skill. In most forums you would have been banned by now. But the mods here apparently don't care, or find you entertaining, are really gullible to think you're not a troll, or something. They're certainly libertarian, I can say that.

You sir must be one bored motherfuc<er to troll this much. I mean, I'm bored out of my mind on a daily basis, but you're on your own plane of boredom, to troll THIS much. I pity you a little bit, because you're obviously an addict to this sh]t. The next troll post is the next needle for someone like you. So yeah, dude, you "trolled me good lolz"-good for you! But you're so pathological in your pursuit that It's no longer even worth the cost to your fuc<ing pathetic life. Way to own yourself man.

Troll on, you'll get no more action from me.
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06-20-2010 , 12:28 AM
No soontobepro, the mods here know better. Please provide an example of me trolling.
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06-20-2010 , 01:02 AM
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No soontobepro, the mods here know better. Please provide an example of me trolling.
Yup, not much skill required with these easy mods.
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06-20-2010 , 09:18 PM
I'm just starting to read the entire thread now, so this may have been said, but do you not think its possible that God is pleased by faith rather than knowledge, and therefore God has given each person just enough personal evidence to supplement their faith but not enough to ever give them total knowledge?
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