Why won't god do something incredible that will compell non-believers to believe NOW? - Page 16 - Religion, God, and Theology

Just to note, i see the strength religion gives people, i see it in my mom every day. I would never ever have a debate like this with my mother cause she wouldnt cope without religion.

And i know there are millions like her, im just sayin how i feel and came to be a non beliver

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07-08-2010 , 11:48 AM

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batair

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Originally Posted by Under dog

Is anyone here worried about having "his doubts and questions answered" about the existence of the sun god?

Not about the sun God. But im full of doubts and questions about our universe and our existence.

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07-08-2010 , 12:12 PM

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camlinboy

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where ya from you sexy thing you sexy thing

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07-08-2010 , 12:17 PM

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Under dog

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Originally Posted by batair

Not about the sun God. But im full of doubts and questions about our universe and our existence.

Your not the only one

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07-10-2010 , 12:17 AM

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rage4dorder

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http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/theistguide.html

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In several years of debating atheism and theism, I have made an observation. Ask any believer what would convince him he was mistaken and persuade him to leave his religion and become an atheist, and if you get a response, it will almost invariably be, "Nothing - I have faith in my god." Although such people may well exist, I personally have yet to meet a theist who would acknowledge even the possibility that his belief was in error. Many theists, by their own admission, structure their beliefs so that no evidence could possibly disprove them. In short, they are closed-minded, and have been taught to be closed-minded. (For more on this, see "Thoughts in Captivity".)

In light of this, it is ironic that atheists are often accused of being the closed-minded ones. Fundamentalist proselytizers very frequently claim that we are hard-hearted, that we are dogmatic and irrational, that we reject God based on preconceived bias, and so on. Such claims result from psychological projection. Incapable of coping with the fact that there are some people who genuinely do not believe in their god, these theists simply deny that such people exist, and instead insist that everyone thinks the same way they do. Therefore, people who reach different conclusions than them must have some secret ulterior motive for not believing. This is truly ridiculous, but unfortunately, some people really believe it.

Thus, in the spirit of proving that atheists' minds are not closed, I've assembled below a list of everything I can think of that I would accept as proof that a given religion is true. Also included are things that I would accept as circumstantial evidence of a particular religion's truth and things that would not be acceptable to me as proof of anything. While I do not claim to speak for all atheists, I would confidently say that any religion that could produce one of the things from the first list would probably gain a great number of converts.

To be fair, I invite all theists to respond by preparing a list of things that they would accept as proof that atheism is true. If any theist prepares such a list, posts it on the Internet and tells me about it, I'll link to it from this page.
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edit: also http://www.alternet.org/belief/147424/?page=entire

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07-10-2010 , 10:32 PM

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savva86

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OP, god created you knowing in advance that you would not believe in him. So yes, I believe god wants you to go to hell. Bad luck, i guess.

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07-13-2010 , 11:01 PM

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Eman6969

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Originally Posted by savva86

OP, god created you knowing in advance that you would not believe in him. So yes, I believe god wants you to go to hell. Bad luck, i guess.

It's not about what god wants but about the choices the individual human has made and its consequences.

Rizes decisions and choices and beliefs are his own not gods. Did god make him? Yes did god make him think what he does? no. It's all about choices people that's what life is about. He is an atheist so he is all about accepting responsibility for his actions and making his own choices so he needs to accept the consequences for his decisions now.

All you atheists need to and if you don't now you will have no choice later. It's real simple folks make the right decision in this game we call life and you will win, make the wrong decision and you will suffer. Just like the american dream baby.

Atheists know they have nothing to lose by accepting god in their life, they see others around them who do, but they use any failure any painful experience in their life to hold a grudge against god and hate him. Why hate someone you say doesn't exist?

The sooner you start accepting god the sooner your pain will go away. Quite simple eh?

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07-14-2010 , 03:27 AM

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SABR42

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Originally Posted by Eman6969

All you atheists need to and if you don't now you will have no choice later. It's real simple folks make the right decision in this game we call life and you will win, make the wrong decision and you will suffer.

Sorry, rational people are not threatened by silly little threats like this. Pascal's wager is completely unoriginal and you might want to come up with something better.

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Atheists know they have nothing to lose by accepting god in their life

We have plenty to lose. We're not using up our 80 years on this planet to do things like get up early on sundays so we can talk to imaginary beings.

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but they use any failure any painful experience in their life to hold a grudge against god and hate him.

What is this I don't even...

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Originally Posted by Eman6969

The sooner you start accepting god the sooner your pain will go away. Quite simple eh?

Way to assume atheists are "in pain." I'm quite happy with my life.

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07-14-2010 , 01:56 PM

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batair

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Originally Posted by Eman6969

The sooner you start accepting god the sooner your pain will go away. Quite simple eh?

The sooner you accept Were-jaguar the sooner your hate for him will go away. Repent your sins against him and the cloud of hate surrounding your life will disappear and be replaced with truth and love.

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