I thought that I would ask this question. If those who do not believe in God were HONEST they would have to come to the conclusion that truth does not rise and fall on their own intellect. That they did not bring themselves into existance. That something greater than them, their intellect started all the things we see with our eyes.

Its ego and prideful for a man to think and say that their is no God. He has to be blind to reject all the things he sees, the moon, the stars, nature, animals, and that they were not created by God or at least by something greater than himself and his own intellect. But no they choose to decide to believe in the lie of evolution which has never ever been proven once. But is constantly being revised as one theory after another gets proven to be wrong.

The guys who believe in the theory of evolution will die trying to prove it and waste their whole lives trying to prove a lie.

Pletho

God must be working through 2+2 because there have been so many "Why Athiest" threads lately. I'm praying the next person wanting to discuss this will please examine the religion threads first.

I dont believe that there is definitely no god. I believe that I don't know whether there is or not, and that if there is one there is a chance of approximately 0% that any person knows anything about him.

I don't think it's the belief in God that's the key issue insomuch as the belief of the idea of (a) God which is the where the friction stems from.

Said differently, an atheist or an agnostic is more likely IMO to become a deist than a theist, if they were to make an official change of position. But, of course, I could be very easily far off the mark on that one.

A masterful post. Five stars from the Ken Ham school of thought.

But to be serious, you misunderstand and/or misinterpret much about evolution and atheism. More importantly, why would you even concern yourself with such things?

-Zeno

I don't believe in a god because belief in the supernatural takes away from the beauty and magnificence of our reality. Think of how precious life is when you think of how improbable it is for exactly you to be in existence right now. We are here to enjoy life and everything it has for us without wearing the foggy spectacles which is religion.

If there is a god, evolution is one of his creations.

Honestly and sincerely you think that because you do not know that NO ONE else can know? Come on, just because you do not know does'nt mean NO ONE else knows. If that logic is what you are using to come to your decision then truth and knowledge would have to rise and fall according to you and your own beliefs.

I sincerely am not at least in the post trying to be a smart as-, I am being trying to get you to think outside your self and your own beliefs. Just think about it, do you think you have ALL the answers to everything in life and that no one else knows anything that you do not know?

Pletho

my and your realiy relies 100% on a spiritual realm that is unseen by the human eye. Without it all that you see would not exist. Religion I agree is very foggy, but I am not religous in the sense and definition you use as religion. I am a believer in the bible and a believer in God and his son Jesus Christ. I do not go to any church any day of the week whatsoever. Sure we are here to enjoy life, but not just to enjoy life. That would be very selfish and a sorry way to live, always after pleasing self, always on the take, what can I get out of life?

All of life is about giving and recieving. All of nature for the most part is set up that way. Plants make oxygen and give it, we breath it in, then we exhale what they need. The whole process and life cycles are based on giving and receiving. It is very improbable that you or I would exist right now by chance. As a matter of fact its impossible to create something from nothing "UNLESS" you are God. Thats what the word God means in the old testament, it comes from the word elohim, meaning the creator, the one who brings things into existance from nothing, that is what creating means biblically. Only God can create things. We use the term create erroneously.

Pletho

There is evolution within God's creation within species but not in the way that evolutionist think and propound now days.

Its obvious that evolution exist to me but evolution has to exist and fit within the boundries of the physical laws of the universe. One specie can't change to another, nor can life appear from sand or dirt that amounts to anything complicated like a human being or animal. Some of the people on here may have come from monkeys LOL, just kidding. Try puttin monkey blood in a human being and see what happens. The geneticist (proabably spelled wrong) all for the most part know that scientifically it can not happen and nver has been proven and bnever will be.

Pletho

Of course I don't rely 100% on my own first-hand knowledge. The fact that I personally don't know anything about any "God" has nothing to do with why I don't think anyone else does. It is a self-admitted facet of religion that you must have "faith" to believe (i.e. there is no physical proof), and no one has ever presented any evidence that I find compelling. There are numerous things I do not have 1st hand knowledge of, but in order for me to believe them I must at least see compelling evidence for them.

There is simply no valid reason, IMO, to think that any one religion is closer than another to the right answer. I personally feel that it is more likely there is some sort of creator (of the universe, not people directly) than that the big bang just happened for no reason. I also feel it is infinitely likely that any "God" that does exist has no real interest in humans above anything else in the universe.

When I call myself an Atheist, it is really just for want of a better term. I am closer to that than an agnostic, since I see no merit in any of the religions I have heard of, but quite simply I think the only valid answer to the question of a deity is "I don't know."

Would deism be acceptable to you? Or is Yahweh the ONLY possible God?

why do you believe in god? I gave you one of my many answers.

Whenever someone tries to discredit evolution they always sound completely ignorant of the theory. You should take biology 101.

"try putting monkey blood in a human being and see what happens"

is this one of your best arguments?


will you admit that you don't fully understand the theory of evolution?

To the extent that I 'know' anything, I know that God is a superstition. Every experience I have ever had counts for this, and nothing counts against it.

Note that I've had many relevant experiences. I grew up in an EXTREMELY devout Evangelical family. I was homeschooled to insulate me from worldly influence. I had voluntarily memorized at least 10 chapters of the Bible by the time I was twelve; because at least I wouldn't feel guilty doing that. When I enrolled at my Southern Baptist alma mater, my father gave me a two-hour homily on Proverbs 4:23: "Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life." (Because there are few spiritual risks as serious as being surrounded by a couple thousand Christian-in-name-only college students.)

Trust me, God is a superstition.

My man crush Subfallen has arrived... end thread.

I don't think there's a single atheist out there that thinks they somehow brought themselves into existence. Of course there's something greater than human beings that makes the universe operate the way that it does.

The question is about the nature of the thing which is greater. Is it natural, observable, and testable? Or is it a jealous, angry, arbitrary sky God with a fetish for underage Jewish girls?

Just because humans have imperfect intelligence does not in any way prove that something with perfect intelligence does.

if you have sex with a monkey you don't get half human half monkey people! Therefore evolution is false.

Its only the ego of mankind that makes them think that something higher than them doesn't exist. I mean come on be real, how could a man get to the point where he thinks that his thoughts are higher than any thing that brought life into existance?

Why don't you believe in more than one god Pletho? Maybe there's a god that controls all the elements of the universe.

I believe in the one and only God who set the universe in its course. The elements in the universe all obey the physical laws in which they are surrounded by. according to the bible their are other gods, they are false gods, there is also the god this world in the bible, meaning and reffering to satan who has blinded the hearts of the unbelievers. He is also called the prince of the power of the air. There are others powers that exist in this world but those powers them selv only exist because they were created and they operate within the confines and boundries that they are allowed and legally have a right to operate in. When I say legally I mean God sets the laws that they have to abide by in the spritual realm.

Pletho

It is only the ego of mankind that makes them think that if something higher than them exists then it must care about us in any way.

Are you that pitiful that no one can care for you? Were you not loved much or shown much love growing up? Love is what it is all about. God is love, He is the originator and His essence, His nature is love.

Its a sad state to be in thinking that no one is there and cares.

Pletho

Did god have love for all the people he drowned in the flood? Or all the first born children he's killed? God has killed many many more people than satan. If anything I'd rather worship Satan than God.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot....evised_04.html

Satan is the god who killed them all not the true God. So you will be worshipping the god of death and the originator and author if death.

The egyptians brought that destruction on themselves.
You are not seeing the big picture. No problem though. I didn't understand it for a long time. The more word you learn the more you see and understand HOW it all really fits together. I didn't learn what I have learned overnight. I have been studying and teaching the bible consistantly for almost 15 years. So I do not expect that others will understand either, not without a well rounded study and knowledge of the word.


Pletho