George Carlin on the sanctity of life:

But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase 'sanctity of life'. You've heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of ****. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realise that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cuz God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, veangence is mine. Millions of dead mother****ers. Millions of dead mother****ers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. 'You believe in God?' 'No.' *Pdoom*. Dead. 'You believe in God?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my God? 'No.' *Poom*. Dead. 'My God has a bigger dick than your God!' Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy.

But don't be giving me all this **** about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it's something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? 'Cuz we're alive. Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this ****, do you? We're not hearing a whole lot from Musolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. 'Cuz JFK, Musolini and Abbott and Costello are ****ing dead. They're ****ing dead. And dead people give less than a **** about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bull**** story.

It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. 'Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies. 'Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers. 'Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs. 'Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. 'Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people... 'Cuz they're pests. And it's fun!

And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says 'Save the tumors.'. Or 'I brake for advanced melanoma.'. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole ****ing thing up! Made it up!

The same way we made up the death penalty. We made 'em both up...the sanctity of life and the death penalty. Aren't we versatile?

What a horrible post. Should never have stepped into this forum.

Sanctity of Life is an old Hebrew concept that almost nobody on 2 plus 2 seems to be aware of.

Maybe people should study it before they even engage in some of the crazy arguments they get into.

Everybody wants to argue over the Garden of Eden but nobody bothers to learn what the Old Hebrew roots were.

How stupid is that when most of The West's culture is based on Greco-Christian-Judaic roots along with pagan roots?

We don't even know where we come from today.

George Carlin wasn't very funny in his old age Our House. I saw him on stage a few years back before he died and maybe it was the sun I'd been walking in all day or the hard chair but I kept falling asleep and missed most of what he said.

Maybe it was an act of mercy from God. Whatever it was it wasn't entertaining enough to keep me awake to listen to him.

Perhaps Carlin should have read the book of James then he'd have known we're evil and the tongue which showers people with both blessing and curses is pretty untameable and a sign of our own evil thoughts.

Carlin certainly never managed to tame it.

James 3 (New International Version)

James 3
Taming the Tongue
1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check.
3When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, 8but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Two Kinds of Wisdom
13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

Its actually quite a provocative contrast re: the sanctity of life.

Abortion versus Capital Punishment

The lives of the innocent unborn versus convicted felons. The unborn can't speak to defend themselves but the convicted felon can. On top of that he gets all types of representation in court and in the civil rights system.

Funny system we people have when the manifested seeds of evil have more rights than the innocent ones. Must be the mercy of God on us sinners. Why don't we practice more mercy ourselves and respect ourselves more?

Holy scripture says we are the "temples of God". God is honoring our temples but are we honoring them ourselves?

I stand by my statement. Not that he needs me to defend him, but I know Josh and, while I disagree with his religious viewpoint, he is an honorable person and accusing him of being a liar from the cover of the internet is despicable. No matter who does it and how often it is done.

Despicable is a little excessive. It's presumptuous, and a little douchey, but "despicable" is what villains in the late 1800s were.

OP said he was X, he said he didn't believe him. How is that not calling him a liar? It's not a question of understanding what he said.

I learned the word from Daffy Duck. I use it in the dictionary definition of the word as "deserving to be despised; contemptible." Let's about the logic of the post, not the character of the poster.

Nobody cares about his religious viewpoint. He claimed to be a scientist and then wrote a post filled with nonsense. If he really thinks on the level of his OP I have a tough time believing he has a PhD in physics.

Also, it is very odd for a physics PhD to mention that his favorite show is MacGuvyer when trying to convince people that he likes science.

Again, he never claimed he had a PhD. Just a degree in applied physics.

Oh well then never mind. It is perfectly reasonable for a PhD in applied physics to think those things.


EDIT: Oh, your point was on the PhD part, not the applied part. You are correct.

EDIT2: He did call himself a research physicist, which usually means that one has a PhD, thats why I and others assumed he was claiming a PhD, but it is possible he was not claiming that

OP is a fkn troll.

zomg that is a despicable thing to say!

ahh. that clears that one up.

its douchey to not believe someone who says they have a degree in a scientific field and yet shows a baffling inteptitude on even fundamental scientific concepts?

all things being equal...that seems quite reasonable...if not warranted. i have no reason to believe him, and 1 good reason not to.

although now i have a good reason to believe him, since people have vouched for the truth of his statement. so i will relent and now believe him since i have a good reason to. though i think my original suspension of belief was, again, reasonable.

If this is "despicable" then I feel horrible. After reading J-dub's posts I was so convinced he was lying that I never would've bothered to question it. I see Andyfox has basically confirmed that J-dub is for real. Pretty weird. It's nice being dead wrong once in awhile. Keep's things interesting.

Speak for yourself.

I am just like everyone else on here is.

lol. You are like no one else on here. You are in your own separate, psychotic dream world.

Okay, I really shouldn't have fed the fire, but it's about time I stopped the popcorn-eating and locked this one.