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04-18-2011 , 09:21 PM

#26

CompleteDegen

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Originally Posted by madnak

Read the sticky; personal attacks on other posters are not allowed, nor are derails about other posters. Keep it to the topic at hand.

My post was neither of these. It raised a legitimate question that's been asked before and never sufficiently answered by any theist as to how they can be so certain (oftentimes arrogantly so, including posters on this forum) that their beliefs are correct while billions of other people are wrong, or how given the all various conflicting mythologies and fantastical stories, us non-believers are supposed to take anyone seriously.

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04-18-2011 , 09:28 PM

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I use to come here for the discussion, but since doing that is the equivalent of banging your head against a nail on a wall for the most part, now I just come for the lulz.

There have been some fruitful discussions in the past, but they were far and few between.

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04-18-2011 , 10:39 PM

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I think I got sucked in on an evolution thread or something. I enjoy getting angry arguing with people I believe very strongly to be wrong (or, I love debate?). I stay for pretty much this reason -- no other subforum here provides me with this level of argumentation.

In other words, I'm not necessarily here for the subject matter, but the subject matter lends itself to the type of debates I enjoy having.

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04-18-2011 , 11:23 PM

#29

bunny

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Originally Posted by ganstaman

I miss chezlaw.

"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"I've told you once."

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04-19-2011 , 01:04 AM

#30

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

So true.

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04-19-2011 , 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bunny

I miss chezlaw.

"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"I've told you once."

I get the Monty Python reference, and I know that chezlaw is a poster (think I've seen him only in SMP), but I don't know why you're missing him now. Maybe Splendour has been right all this time and I really am too new to this forum...

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04-19-2011 , 01:53 AM

#32

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Originally Posted by ganstaman

Partly because he's very clever, but mostly because of his taste in british comedy.

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04-19-2011 , 03:46 AM

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Someone in another 2+2 forum posted a really funny .GIF with a link to the image thread in here last November. I've since read a lot in this forum and have watched a ton of YouTube videos and would say I went from non-believer/don't care/don't talk about it to atheist.

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04-19-2011 , 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bunny

I miss chezlaw.

"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"I've told you once."

Chezlaw told me that the only thing thats keeping him sane is his avoidance of RGT. LOL

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04-19-2011 , 04:42 PM

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I am surprised nobody posted this yet.

I am here because the DOJ took away one of my nighttime hobbies and has 50k of my monies.

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04-19-2011 , 06:52 PM

#36

stormstarter28

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Originally Posted by MalkasGambit

Are there any atheists/agnostics on this board that upon first visiting were once theists? Has anyone ever converted a staunch theist into an atheist? Or vice versa?

I was a staunch theist and am now agnostic, largely due to the discussions in this forum.

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04-21-2011 , 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Splendour

You want to justify yourself by man's weak reasoning, I think. It would never be good enough for me. I must judge myself by God's standards.

How do you determine God's standards without reason?

You second guess God all the time when you choose to ignore his commandment to stone the homosexuals where you live. Or to allow the Wiccans to live. How DARE you use your weak reasoning to say God doesn't want you to do what he commanded of you.

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04-21-2011 , 05:27 PM

#38

Concerto

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Originally Posted by Big Perm

Simple: If I cannot defend my beliefs, they are not worth having.

Can you defend this belief? I kinda doubt it since most of one's more fundamental beliefs are not arrived at logically.

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04-21-2011 , 05:45 PM

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weaselgirl

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Can you give an example of some fundamental beliefs that are indefensible and illogical but worth having? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm having trouble coming up with examples, when you're claiming "most of your fundamental beliefs."

edit: Ah yes, and back on topic. People's thought processes fascinate me, I like to learn new things and be challenged, and it's relevant my interests as a pastor's-kid-turned-atheist.

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04-21-2011 , 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by weaselgirl

Can you give an example of some fundamental beliefs that are indefensible and illogical but worth having? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I'm having trouble coming up with examples, when you're claiming "most of your fundamental beliefs."

I think asking for one example is letting him off too easy. If he says MOST then he should name 10.

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04-21-2011 , 06:57 PM

#41

Concerto

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Originally Posted by weaselgirl

Can you give an example of some fundamental beliefs that are indefensible and illogical but worth having?

Not illogical, which means contrary to logic, rather non-logical or not defensible using logic. For example, all the possibly infinite premises of whatever system of logic you use to establish your belief system. You can specify what those are better than I can.

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04-21-2011 , 09:41 PM

#42

weaselgirl

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Originally Posted by kurto

I think asking for one example is letting him off too easy. If he says MOST then he should name 10.

Yeah, I meant to write "some examples."

But apparently despite "possibly infinite" options to choose from, it's going to be left to me to "specify what those are," even though I specified that the whole reason I was asking for examples was because I couldn't think of any? Whatevs.

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04-21-2011 , 09:48 PM

#43

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Originally Posted by weaselgirl

I am only half following the conv, but what irrational beliefs to you believe that theists like myself hold?

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04-21-2011 , 10:48 PM

#44

Big Perm

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Originally Posted by Concerto

Can you defend this belief? I kinda doubt it since most of one's more fundamental beliefs are not arrived at logically.

Most likely not to your satisfaction, but I'm sure you understand the premise of my statement. I grant that there are certain beliefs (i.e. items of moral code) I hold dear that may be the product of social conditioning, rather than logical process. This, however, does not mean I have not considered their impact upon my life.

But, since this is the RGT forum, I'll narrow my statement to say I choose not to follow religion when it means I must be intellectually dishonest. In that regard, this forum has been of tremendous value.

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04-22-2011 , 09:28 AM

#45

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Originally Posted by weaselgirl

Can you give an example of some fundamental beliefs that are indefensible and illogical but worth having?

Can you defend Occam's razor?

Edit: RGT has some very smart people and I find the subject matter interesting. I'm more interested in evidence, inference, etc than the truth or falsity of religious claims, however.

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04-22-2011 , 09:51 PM

#46

Le Boeuf

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I think ive just realised my problem iwht religion. The most brilliant people in the world are passed of as "gods children" when all their achievements are ****ed up by politics,whcih means in the end we're all worse off.
People need to be let ot be people. IMagine how happy people would be without pride or superiority. But this is gaurenteeed by theism, other than buddhism from what i gather. BULLLL

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04-22-2011 , 09:56 PM

#47

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Originally Posted by Le Boeuf

People throughout history have found many ways to feel prideful and superior. Your conclusion about theism here is a complete non sequitor

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04-22-2011 , 10:02 PM

#48

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I think that Le Boeuf has been drinking...

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04-22-2011 , 10:03 PM

#49

Jibninjas

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Originally Posted by Hopey

I think that Le Boeuf has been drinking...

Lol, sometimes that make RGT that much more fun!

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04-23-2011 , 05:14 AM

#50

Le Boeuf

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Originally Posted by Jibninjas

People throughout history have found many ways to feel prideful and superior. Your conclusion about theism here is a complete non sequitor

I'm sorry sarge I didn't wanna ***k up,and I ***ked up bad.

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