Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent - Page 4 - Religion, God, and Theology

Also, lol at the idea that a state that is "officially atheist" is less tolerant than a state that is officially religious.

You want to compare China to any Islamic country where they execute homosexuals?

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03-04-2010 , 07:58 PM

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Not only are some Islamic country's more oppressive to homosexuals. They are also more oppressive to religion that's not the states.

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03-05-2010 , 10:16 AM

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No one said that. I hope you are not try going to defend China as being a tolerant state because that is a losing battle. Ask the Falun Gong in China what they think if you can find any that are still alive or ask the Dalai Lama.

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03-05-2010 , 10:50 AM

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Only one was online, the other was in an issue of Mad Magazine.

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03-05-2010 , 11:53 AM

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Wait wait wait. So Pokerlogist is joking, right? He's not being serious? I feel like I missed something.

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03-05-2010 , 02:32 PM

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Wait wait wait. So Pokerlogist is joking, right? He's not being serious? I feel like I missed something.

to second this... I've still been trying to determine if he is serious in his posts or not. After first I was reading some of his posts as sarcasm. Then I started to think I was mistaken and he was always being serious. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is confused in this matter.

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03-05-2010 , 04:36 PM

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To make a interesting thread, test a poster's thesis. Extend it one more step and see where it might logically lead. Sorry if the result seems vague or sarcacstic.

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03-05-2010 , 11:08 PM

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I hope you are not try going to defend China as being a tolerant state because that is a losing battle.

Did you completely ignore my previous 2 posts?

I never said China was a tolerant state. However, it is far more tolerant than any of the official Islamic states.

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Ask the Falun Gong in China what they think if you can find any that are still alive or ask the Dalai Lama.

The Falun Gong were persecuted for political reasons, it has nothing to do with religion. You realize most of the people they persecute are atheists?

You are trying to isolate atheism as the cause of China's "intolerance" when you are wrong and completely talking out of your ass.

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03-06-2010 , 09:44 PM

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Did you completely ignore my previous 2 posts?

I never said China was a tolerant state. However, it is far more tolerant than any of the official Islamic states.

The Falun Gong were persecuted for political reasons, it has nothing to do with religion. You realize most of the people they persecute are atheists?

You are trying to isolate atheism as the cause of China's "intolerance" when you are wrong and completely talking out of your ass.

Making sweeping claims with no evidence and following it with a nerdy insult doesn't cut it.

end of thread for me.

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03-11-2010 , 08:40 AM

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This is almost incredible and one can only imagine how hard it was for this to come to light in a country with the media so dominated by the government.

The government had to stereotype the Falun Gong as officially "evil" before proceeding against them. It makes you wonder how many people at the top profited from a human's right violation that essentially treated a despised group of people as a commodity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

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03-12-2010 , 11:59 PM

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Apologies if this has been posted before and I missed it: http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/24/wh...d-atheists-are

One of the findings of the study is that "Young adults who identify themselves as "not at all religious" have an average IQ of 103 during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as "very religious" have an average IQ of 97 during adolescence."

A couple of years ago Helmuth Nyborg found similar results among adults.

Discuss...

Unfortunately studies like these tend to leave out a major subset of the population: The 2+2 atheist forum.

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03-13-2010 , 10:29 AM

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I'm just saying that any state that is officially atheistic is more likely to supress belief in God than a state that is offcially "anti-unicorn" (and not atheistic). China's supression of religion is not a random choice. This seems straightforward.

I think what you guys mean to claim is that there is nothing inherent in atheism that makes it intolerant of other's beliefs. This can start another thread.

You know that many of your founding fathers like Jefferson and Paine were deists and agnostics who opposed organized religion. The whole "In God We Trust" thing came later.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." - Thomas Paine

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03-13-2010 , 10:32 AM

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If they were so smart I wonder why they couldn't give credit to the right source for all of this: The Devil.

I think they must have been mentally or spiritually dyslexic.

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03-13-2010 , 11:30 AM

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If they were so smart I wonder why they couldn't give credit to the right source for all of this: The Devil.

I really can't believe there are people that still think this way in 2010. Mindblowing.

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03-13-2010 , 12:17 PM

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I really can't believe there are people that still think this way in 2010. Mindblowing.

Oh you just suffer from spiritual blindness like everyone else.

Didn't you know? Bold doctrinal statements work like the jaws of life. They cut you free from the wreckage unless you refuse help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_rescue_tools

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03-13-2010 , 12:30 PM

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Oh you just suffer from spiritual blindness like everyone else.

Everyone but you and those who agree with your particular brand of spirituality. Right?

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03-13-2010 , 12:41 PM

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Everyone but you and those who agree with your particular brand of spirituality. Right?

No, everyone suffers from degrees of blindness including believers. In the book of Revelation its the believer's eyes the salve is applied to. Luckily though we can hear. "Faith is by hearing."

Even the Buddha was blind. He doesn't say there's a God yet what or who is spinning the Buddhist wheel of life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tibetan_chakra.jpg

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03-13-2010 , 12:50 PM

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You're assuming that there has to be a what or a who "spinning the wheel of life".

See the clockmaker argument for god's existence and how easily it's refuted.
As for how the Buddhist "wheel of life" works, and why there isn't anyone spinning it, see dependent origination.

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03-13-2010 , 07:05 PM

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