Yes, but they dont think he could see the future.

His word caused no harm at all. It wasnt because of what he said, because if people listened to what he said then none of that stuff would have happened.

He is the all powerful Christian God to them, afaik he knows everything and can do anything.

I would disagree, some of his words (as recorded ) caused harm and some caused good.

Please tell me his words that directly caused harm.

The common Christian belief is that Jesus was a mortal man when on Earth otherwise he would not have been able to die.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The largest mainstream christian group the Catholics teach the Trinity which says Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one being, as do many Protestant groups. I would guess it's more common to view Jesus as God manifested, but thats just a guess.

That aside. Jesus himself is said to have made prophecies. To say he could not see into the future goes against what he said, what the bible teaches and what most Christians believe.

Only part I disagree with, because quotes such as the one you open with are almost certainly not factually attributed to him.

Your right i should of said, what he is said to have said, because no quotes can be factually attributed to him.

Wow will you reread the the part of the article I quoted. It says some thing like "If Christ was in fact God, he knew all the future. Before him like a panorama moved the history yet to be. He knew how his words would be interpreted. He knew what crimes, what horrors, what infamies, would be committed in his name. He knew that the hungry flames of persecution would climb around the limbs of countless martyrs."

Is this has all prophets visions are supposed to have worked? No they spoke to God and he enlightened them will little peieces of information they didn't know "all the future. Before him like a panorama moved the history yet to be"

There is a HUGE difference between what that article is saying and whats actually believed.

Also The Father Son and Holy Ghost are not prevelant in all forms of Christianity. Secondly even then the Son became part of the trinity after he died. To be honest I have no ****ing clue where the holy ghost came from.... If I recall correctly when Jesus dies he joins God and becomes God. The Holy Trinity is three persons that make up one being.



That article is absolutely ******ed. It was a nice read, but completely biased to the point of making things up.

Unlike The Bible, right?

This is the key point you seem to be missing.

The Christian God is all knowing, if Jesus was God he was all knowing.

If Jesus was God he didn't need to speak to him, he was him. If Jesus was God he didn't need visions or info, he was all knowing.

no... there isn't

Never said all Christian believe in the Trinity, just said i think most believe in it.

He didn't need to become a part of the Trinity. He was already a part of it, he was already God.

The article didn't make up the idea Jesus was an all powerful all knowing God, Christians did.

In my experience, anyone who has been sufficiently damaged enough psychologically to believe the holiness of the Bible will not be converted by anything anyone posts in a forum.

true, but it's fun to watch them squirm.

New to this community and just read the whole thread. I am a Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God and is the only way to eternal life. That is what I believe

Your quote above interests me greatly because I view it the other way...it seems that the atheists in this thread are the one's who attempt everything to logically explain away things that we humans, with our limited capacity to understand, cannot comprehend.

I am quite content and assured of my beliefs. I have nothing to squirm about.

I am not sure how this makes sense. We acknowledge that we don't know everything.

You say we have a limited capacity to understand, but then on top of it throw in "oh but phew! God knows everything and he wrote a book so we're good."

I actually didn't throw in the "oh phew" thing, you did. What I was trying to convey was that no matter how much logic is applied, there will still be things that we cannot comprehend. As a Christian, I am fine with that because of my belief. It appears to me that the atheists in this thread are not fine with that and hence spend countless hours trying to disprove Christianity which, assuming that you do agree that "we don't know everything", cannot be done because of man's limited capacity.

My main point was that as a Christian I don't feel like I ever need to "squirm" about this topic. If some people ITT find that laughable because it is illogical to them, then I am OK with that.

As an atheist, i fully admit when it come to the big questions I don't and probably never will comprehend them. That's the reason why im an atheist.

As a Christian you aren't fine with not comprehending certain things, that's why you have answers.

Actually "we dont know anything", in and of itself disproves Christianity.

Not sure what you mean, especially the part about "we don't know anything" disproves Christianity.

Christianity claims to know something, if you believe you can't know anything you could not be a Christian.

I will disagree here. Christianity claims to believe something that cannot be proven. Humans do not have the capacity to "know" the Will of the Father. So, while we do know some things, we believe and trust in faith for the gaps.

I know that is impossible for the "logic" folks to grasp, but it is what it is. I think Pletho and others have said it best that until you allow yourself to "hear" the Word, it will seem unrealistic, laughable, etc. Unfortunatley, each individual is responsible for allowing their own "hearing."

My mistake, replace know with believe.

Christianity believes it has the answers to certain things, if you believe "you can't know anything" you can't be a Christian..

I think the real mistake is that you replaced the word "everything" from my original post with the word "anything." But, perhaps you were just being sarcastic and I missed it.

You right that was unfair, everything/anything doesn't really change much though.

Im probably just making my point badly, just ignore me.

Since the rest of this diatribe rests on this premise, then it would be interesting to see some proof of the premise. The classical doctrine of the trinity certainly does not teach this. Without the premise, the rest falls like a house of cards.

Even if the premise is valid, which I don't think it is, the remaining statements are just ludicrous.

Uh, what? Huge chunks of the gospels are Jesus' words. Haven't you seen any of those editions of the Bible where Jesus' words are printed in red letters? Lots of red letters. Voiceless? I don't think so.

Perhaps this means he died voiceless as he was dying? Excuse me, HE WAS DYING!

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven."

Matthew 5:43-45

I could go on and on.

This is simply laughable. Does anyone in this forum actually read this crap before jumping on the bandwagon? Looks like a classic case of preaching to the choir.

You will be reproving these guys on this forum for eternity, LOL! They really need to learn the word better if they are going to try and shake up a knowledable Christian.

You may not agree with anything I have or do post but its nice to see someone point out all the stupid crap these guys are saying.

They really have no clue, I have no clue why they even hang out in a religous forum, other than to try and attack believers.

They have actually caused at least one, who was not real solid in the word to basically denounce his belief in the bible.

Note that my comments don't even assume, infer, or require any actual belief in the Bible. They simply point out the utter lack of reason and factual understanding of the Bible by the OP and the author he quotes.

The trinity teaches Jesus is God. Could you post proof using the bible or a link to some teachings that the Christian God is not all knowing when manifesting himself in human form?